From lojban+bncCNTPpI2KGxC1_szqBBoEe3a7Tw@googlegroups.com Wed Feb 09 17:28:36 2011 Received: from mail-qw0-f61.google.com ([209.85.216.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PnLKj-0004UD-Ku; Wed, 09 Feb 2011 17:28:36 -0800 Received: by qwd6 with SMTP id 6sf1203232qwd.16 for ; Wed, 09 Feb 2011 17:28:27 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:x-beenthere:received-spf:x-authority-analysis :x-cloudmark-score:x-originating-ip:from:to:subject:date:user-agent :references:in-reply-to:mime-version:message-id:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-disposition; bh=U5QiP1kDGAq2cPm2hfzFuiNFa+zc/ZsEbyTxk6InDMk=; b=bhp+5miCHeOr5nk8fQaDDhNeVfiCWPCs5+x9HIe3Hhm3Gv++o709xTjh6tuzC+RUTk uVmdf2loEQRsuc10SpmuLGo8O+G9VI+/U5/cLuEdBOpzCaGSpCRQErb/jBmvTmgahaPt SofNZK/nk50iUIMsfGuQ31RWX58lY6qcxMYoc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:x-authority-analysis:x-cloudmark-score :x-originating-ip:from:to:subject:date:user-agent:references :in-reply-to:mime-version:message-id:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-disposition; b=iVnw0yjbZOj4fD/oBzAhc3SOCsu76U2gdJKSf4ldS+HeUS1WXLMn30KG3rI7+AlarT x/4v9lGhAl1tgsHV1YC8XZ9L9BLOqWbJQVr12uRWKs9VMTafXbDsvafcki98niN6K1mS 3jCRsJeVzNT3e8AYD3r4tSna7axBZs3LXqSAU= Received: by 10.224.29.5 with SMTP id o5mr573523qac.22.1297301301578; Wed, 09 Feb 2011 17:28:21 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.224.126.81 with SMTP id b17ls173577qas.4.p; Wed, 09 Feb 2011 17:28:20 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.224.67.72 with SMTP id q8mr1464974qai.13.1297301300787; Wed, 09 Feb 2011 17:28:20 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.224.67.72 with SMTP id q8mr1464973qai.13.1297301300773; Wed, 09 Feb 2011 17:28:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.122]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id k7si191071qcu.6.2011.02.09.17.28.20; Wed, 09 Feb 2011 17:28:20 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 75.180.132.122 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@phma.optus.nu) client-ip=75.180.132.122; X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=Inhw+Jdt7z1D3BivGPfn2aw54OvUEJw5lAn/booRZkE= c=1 sm=0 a=SkViUY0jck8A:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=Q9fys5e9bTEA:10 a=9o99xeNKNPYSmM5t9x5+TQ==:17 a=NPPbr5Wfqmc4boBYQmMA:9 a=oq7paIzfe-Qf_SS1poUA:7 a=uZXPKkcgysOXpxd1Cot0RTMlhRkA:4 a=PUjeQqilurYA:10 a=9o99xeNKNPYSmM5t9x5+TQ==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Originating-IP: 75.176.118.168 Received: from [75.176.118.168] ([75.176.118.168:43807] helo=chausie) by cdptpa-oedge04.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id EF/05-13137-33F335D4; Thu, 10 Feb 2011 01:28:20 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by chausie (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19B9213FFB for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2011 20:28:18 -0500 (EST) From: Pierre Abbat To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] Error in DAG-CLL? 4.6 Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2011 20:28:16 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.6 (enterprise 0.20070907.709405) References: <20110205070102.GI8388@digitalkingdom.org> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <201102092028.17482.phma@phma.optus.nu> X-Original-Sender: phma@phma.optus.nu X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 75.180.132.122 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@phma.optus.nu) smtp.mail=phma@phma.optus.nu Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline On Wednesday 09 February 2011 19:46:12 Ian Johnson wrote: > I disagree by way of example. At one point I and some others wanted to > translate "nth person" in the sense of narrative perspective. We came up > with {miblisri}, {donlisri}, and {ko'a zei lisri}, meaning first, second, > and third person narrative, respectively. Not the abstract concepts, mind > you: > .i mu'a la'o gy if on a winter's night a traveler gy noi ke'a cukta cu > donlisri > > I don't see a better solution than this anywhere; the "nth" solution just > seems malgli, and I don't know of any other ideas in general. "mibma'o" and "donma'o" are already known to jbofi'e, so I think "mibylisri", "donlisri", and "fo'arlisri" are good. ("fo'e" and "fo'i" also have rafsi, presumably so that one can talk about fourth- and fifth-person pronouns. I know that some languages have a fourth person; I don't know about fifth.) Pierre -- The Black Garden on the Mountain is not on the Black Mountain. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. 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