From lojban+bncCOjSjrXVGBDCreDqBBoEneNnnQ@googlegroups.com Sun Feb 13 09:37:23 2011 Received: from mail-yx0-f189.google.com ([209.85.213.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Pofss-0003fq-9Z; Sun, 13 Feb 2011 09:37:22 -0800 Received: by yxn35 with SMTP id 35sf3834050yxn.16 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2011 09:37:12 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version :in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=v9S2DkI0ZlZjeJvtI5F55pTCVSlJcWpjOYfDrh8m9OQ=; b=LNs+1ElIYJDvDRjv2IBxYT0oAFdoYHj/Po5DkHp58FxeAN0P+4GUVIbEWw4+Vc+CX2 /ni0u2S88nIdNC3hwCFr1lkLH259Ooh7AEur3PIAr8vBugTlQZp5m9BUDwfkIB4945zc w563XXSfLQ0AnsYWRwRDyTbX5TKl4o51N7HGo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from :date:message-id:subject:to:cc:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=33k5PUg23eluUi75iOebw2MqCUKuq06KAcrMpLA6zBlCFIAiKsot/OeKg0RYKHOX6i am4IoqfU+KbLrJe+vTL6jYqwK3NlSDzoPyYKYajWAMtti2K+9XcxXWQ31OU6xMxz1Rsp iZazwC+q6aMbj9AtarTcRpRpa20Q0JICik8rQ= Received: by 10.90.31.19 with SMTP id e19mr273925age.29.1297618626418; Sun, 13 Feb 2011 09:37:06 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.231.57.97 with SMTP id b33ls5040725ibh.0.p; Sun, 13 Feb 2011 09:37:05 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.42.169.4 with SMTP id z4mr251488icy.30.1297618625321; Sun, 13 Feb 2011 09:37:05 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.42.169.4 with SMTP id z4mr251487icy.30.1297618625307; Sun, 13 Feb 2011 09:37:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-iy0-f175.google.com (mail-iy0-f175.google.com [209.85.210.175]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id jo1si198946icb.5.2011.02.13.09.37.05 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 13 Feb 2011 09:37:05 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of lukeabergen@gmail.com designates 209.85.210.175 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.210.175; Received: by iyj8 with SMTP id 8so4221177iyj.20 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2011 09:37:05 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.231.160.80 with SMTP id m16mr2191469ibx.106.1297618625121; Sun, 13 Feb 2011 09:37:05 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.231.199.19 with HTTP; Sun, 13 Feb 2011 09:36:45 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <287321641.20110213153406@altern.org> References: <287321641.20110213153406@altern.org> From: Luke Bergen Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2011 12:36:45 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] lo krinu be lo nu na tolpli zo toi To: Jerome Cc: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: lukeabergen@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of lukeabergen@gmail.com designates 209.85.210.175 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=lukeabergen@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=005045016627344e1c049c2d6190 --005045016627344e1c049c2d6190 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable No problem. xorxes: (in subject) the reason for not not-using "toi" (the lojban doesn't make that double negative look as odd as it does in english). (body) LukeABergen(me): EXTREME-AGREEMENT! Also, similarly "li'u". Moral of the story, even if the grammar allows it (and it does in some circumstances) don't leave {toi}s and {li'u}s hanging. At best it's still ugly and confusing. On Sun, Feb 13, 2011 at 9:34 AM, Jerome wrote: > Folks, > > I understand it may be a pain for you, but since I'm really beginning to > learn lojban, that would be *very* helpful if you could translate this > thread in English. Thanks in advance! > > mu'o mi'e jexom. > > > Saturday, February 12, 2011, 5:13:27 PM, you wrote: > > > .iecai .iji'a simsa tu'a zo li'u pe'i > On Feb 12, 2011 9:25 AM, "Jorge Llamb=EDas" wrote: > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=3Den. > > > > > *-- > Best regards, > Jerome mailto:jige@altern.org > * > --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. 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xorxes: (in subject) the reason for not not-= using "toi" (the lojban doesn't make that double negative loo= k as odd as it does in english). =A0(body) <xkcd link>
Luke= ABergen(me): =A0EXTREME-AGREEMENT! =A0Also, similarly "li'u".=
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Moral of the story, e= ven if the grammar allows it (and it does in some circumstances) don't = leave {toi}s and {li'u}s hanging. =A0At best it's still ugly and co= nfusing.

On Sun, Feb 13, 2011 at 9:34 AM, Jerome <jige@altern.org>= ; wrote:
Folks,

I understand it may be a pain for you, but since I'm really beginning t= o learn lojban, that would be *very* helpful if you could translate this th= read in English. Thanks in advance!

mu'o mi'e jexom.


Saturday, February 12, 2011, 5:13:27 PM, you wrote:
.iecai .iji'a simsa tu'a zo li'u pe= 9;i
On Feb 12, 2011 9:25 AM, "Jorge Llamb=EDas" <jjllambias@gmail.com> wrote= :
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