From lojban+bncCKez7J6uBhCpsODqBBoE2Ay_IA@googlegroups.com Sun Feb 13 09:44:36 2011 Received: from mail-ww0-f61.google.com ([74.125.82.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Pofzl-0003ti-CF; Sun, 13 Feb 2011 09:44:35 -0800 Received: by wwb34 with SMTP id 34sf4534230wwb.16 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2011 09:44:18 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:x-beenthere:received-spf:date:from:x-priority :message-id:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:references:mime-version :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=NioUSoHi7qTbBr9AJ9kwEkUE0ygREj1ymjki6UnxgW0=; b=pG4tXFg8rrVa0jKAWu/b+DFQxKNcrWfIX9Mmh0Q7PKNqWlR4h/VpdP6aRPSqqrOyAK GO5mUFyKpuL2SQAq9pwxLePmWvHm2dksr0qsJoWtOM+Gm1Tsxs25cGM818pwg6yXQrxc oh5bEX3Qq4Ny+gTPSKyTJHRkjMG4NWiLUW5sI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:date:from:x-priority:message-id:to:cc :subject:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=u+xSAwMpH2klHZH1nzGfKhKEqVarg6JvAh3ChG67OVPymgX08ohU3v/DEGIw2LoqX/ Rv2BF1pnygS5kus2rJo9w8IaGKBba8IEReMIdVrUH5NdvaH1Jk751C3QnUzCNNikskkz p8jPO5KP3ml37QdiN+y687RKSJarSP7yHd6fg= Received: by 10.216.168.13 with SMTP id j13mr529037wel.29.1297618985778; Sun, 13 Feb 2011 09:43:05 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.216.237.207 with SMTP id y57ls1490867weq.0.p; Sun, 13 Feb 2011 09:43:05 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.216.181.202 with SMTP id l52mr171073wem.8.1297618984985; Sun, 13 Feb 2011 09:43:04 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.216.181.202 with SMTP id l52mr171072wem.8.1297618984963; Sun, 13 Feb 2011 09:43:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp3-g21.free.fr (smtp3-g21.free.fr [212.27.42.3]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id m79si183196wej.15.2011.02.13.09.43.03; Sun, 13 Feb 2011 09:43:04 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 212.27.42.3 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of jige@altern.org) client-ip=212.27.42.3; Received: from [192.168.0.10] (unknown [88.177.101.36]) by smtp3-g21.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8FE00A62B5; Sun, 13 Feb 2011 18:42:56 +0100 (CET) Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2011 18:42:59 +0100 From: Jerome X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <363306470.20110213184259@altern.org> To: Luke Bergen CC: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] lo krinu be lo nu na tolpli zo toi In-Reply-To: References: <287321641.20110213153406@altern.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Original-Sender: jige@altern.org X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 212.27.42.3 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of jige@altern.org) smtp.mail=jige@altern.org Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: [lojban] lo krinu be lo nu na tolpli zo toi Thanks a lot Lu= ke, I definitely need to make some progress in lojban!

mu'o mi'e jexom.

Sunday, February 13, 2011, 6:36:45 PM, you wrote:


No problem.

xorxes: (in subject) the reason for not not-using "toi" (the lojban doesn't= make that double negative look as odd as it does in english).  (body)= <xkcd link>
LukeABergen(me):  EXTREME-AGREEMENT!  Also, similarly "li'u".
<end translation>

Moral of the story, even if the grammar allows it (and it does in some circ= umstances) don't leave {toi}s and {li'u}s hanging.  At best it's still= ugly and confusing.

On Sun, Feb 13, 2011 at 9:34 AM, Jerome <jige@altern.org> wrote:
Folks,

I understand it may be a pain for you, but since I'm really beginning to le= arn lojban, that would be *very* helpful if you could translate this thread= in English. Thanks in advance!

mu'o mi'e jexom.


Saturday, February 12, 2011, 5:13:27 PM, you wrote:


.iecai .iji'a simsa tu'a zo li'u pe'i
On Feb 12, 2011 9:25 AM, "Jorge Llamb=EDas" <jjllambias@gmail.com> wrote:
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