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<span style=3D" font-family:'Courier New'; font-size: 9pt;">One more questi=
on though : I don't get the ".iji'a" in Luke's answer, where does it come f=
rom? What does that mean?<br>
Thanks again.<br>
<br>
mu'o mi'e jexom.<br>
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Sunday, February 13, 2011, 6:42:59 PM, you wrote:<br>
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>Thanks a lot Luke, I definitely need to make some progress in lojban!<br>
<br>
mu'o mi'e jexom.<br>
<br>
Sunday, February 13, 2011, 6:36:45 PM, you wrote:<br>
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>No problem.<br>
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xorxes: (in subject) the reason for not not-using "toi" (the lojban doesn't=
 make that double negative look as odd as it does in english). &nbsp;(body)=
 &lt;xkcd link&gt;<br>
LukeABergen(me): &nbsp;EXTREME-AGREEMENT! &nbsp;Also, similarly "li'u".<br>
&lt;end translation&gt;<br>
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Moral of the story, even if the grammar allows it (and it does in some circ=
umstances) don't leave {toi}s and {li'u}s hanging. &nbsp;At best it's still=
 ugly and confusing.<br>
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On Sun, Feb 13, 2011 at 9:34 AM, Jerome &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:jige@altern.o=
rg">jige@altern.org</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
Folks,<br>
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I understand it may be a pain for you, but since I'm really beginning to le=
arn lojban, that would be *very* helpful if you could translate this thread=
 in English. Thanks in advance!<br>
<br>
mu'o mi'e jexom.<br>
<br>
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>.iecai .iji'a simsa tu'a zo li'u pe'i<br>
On Feb 12, 2011 9:25 AM, "Jorge Llamb=EDas" &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:jjllambia=
s@gmail.com">jjllambias@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
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