From lojban+bncCML0xpmUARCbwODqBBoEYtmnNw@googlegroups.com Sun Feb 13 10:17:16 2011 Received: from mail-pw0-f61.google.com ([209.85.160.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PogVT-00049P-Ar; Sun, 13 Feb 2011 10:17:16 -0800 Received: by pwi2 with SMTP id 2sf2396272pwi.16 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2011 10:17:05 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=jT8hmJq4KW167ksgxVUunNpIwVLUUWEKd0Uc06wEmLk=; b=4cLacTn9oYtkpgUPKBFc89AfYoJS2OGZ85anWbTVKtXez/DjzGWism/F0qMwgIfeIV pWYAW7MHZx0Aolmjrzy5HTs3O41aPRbuySJ4lIYzK6aLZQ1H+9HDI4xSrwPfG9KTDM/8 EmvE6hBFlsi75MbaAtpWMWjfw8fwImGrRcXGw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=FaXr1koCWg1Gk94nVRQfy9D7mu0c9C7Os64ALwTDWLcmEvWvFPexFW/x7z4clelPYu msyMBo6p5fTGu9jOIl+tT3BF2vsttMarpTxq2DIJmfSSBz9ec7RRpw1joeThKOdRJyx0 6Bzas6WQi2zd8BSrRN3lmUVDwslhVPslGGbdY= Received: by 10.142.73.11 with SMTP id v11mr78781wfa.66.1297621019934; Sun, 13 Feb 2011 10:16:59 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.142.97.18 with SMTP id u18ls7579323wfb.2.p; Sun, 13 Feb 2011 10:16:59 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.142.246.1 with SMTP id t1mr453407wfh.46.1297621019030; Sun, 13 Feb 2011 10:16:59 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.142.246.1 with SMTP id t1mr453405wfh.46.1297621018979; Sun, 13 Feb 2011 10:16:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-px0-f174.google.com (mail-px0-f174.google.com [209.85.212.174]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id i15si2121957wfg.1.2011.02.13.10.16.57 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 13 Feb 2011 10:16:57 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of blindbravado@gmail.com designates 209.85.212.174 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.212.174; Received: by pxi15 with SMTP id 15so898596pxi.5 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2011 10:16:57 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.142.246.20 with SMTP id t20mr2396607wfh.308.1297621017718; Sun, 13 Feb 2011 10:16:57 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.142.68.21 with HTTP; Sun, 13 Feb 2011 10:16:57 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <1536886402.20110213190359@altern.org> References: <287321641.20110213153406@altern.org> <363306470.20110213184259@altern.org> <1536886402.20110213190359@altern.org> Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2011 13:16:57 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] lo krinu be lo nu na tolpli zo toi From: Ian Johnson To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: blindbravado@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of blindbravado@gmail.com designates 209.85.212.174 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=blindbravado@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000e0cd2e760d072fe049c2defc4 --000e0cd2e760d072fe049c2defc4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable It's two words, {.i} and {ji'a}. {.i} begins the new sentence; {ji'a} means "also". We sometimes write clusters like that; one of the most common examples is {.ije}, which is {.i je}. mu'o mi'e .latros. On Sun, Feb 13, 2011 at 1:03 PM, Jerome wrote: > One more question though : I don't get the ".iji'a" in Luke's answer, > where does it come from? What does that mean? > Thanks again. > > > mu'o mi'e jexom. > > Sunday, February 13, 2011, 6:42:59 PM, you wrote: > > > Thanks a lot Luke, I definitely need to make some progress in lojban! > > mu'o mi'e jexom. > > Sunday, February 13, 2011, 6:36:45 PM, you wrote: > > > No problem. > > xorxes: (in subject) the reason for not not-using "toi" (the lojban doesn= 't > make that double negative look as odd as it does in english). (body) link> > LukeABergen(me): EXTREME-AGREEMENT! Also, similarly "li'u". > > > Moral of the story, even if the grammar allows it (and it does in some > circumstances) don't leave {toi}s and {li'u}s hanging. At best it's stil= l > ugly and confusing. > > On Sun, Feb 13, 2011 at 9:34 AM, Jerome wrote: > Folks, > > I understand it may be a pain for you, but since I'm really beginning to > learn lojban, that would be *very* helpful if you could translate this > thread in English. Thanks in advance! > > mu'o mi'e jexom. > > > Saturday, February 12, 2011, 5:13:27 PM, you wrote: > > > .iecai .iji'a simsa tu'a zo li'u pe'i > On Feb 12, 2011 9:25 AM, "Jorge Llamb=EDas" wrote: > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=3Den. > > > > > > *-- > Best regards, > Jerome mailto:jige@altern.org > * > > > > > *-- > Best regards, > Jerome mailto:jige@altern.org > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=3Den.* > > > > *-- > Best regards, > Jerome mailto:jige@altern.org > * > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=3Den. > --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den. --000e0cd2e760d072fe049c2defc4 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable It's two words, {.i} and {ji'a}. {.i} begins the new sentence; {ji&= #39;a} means "also". We sometimes write clusters like that; one o= f the most common examples is {.ije}, which is {.i je}.

mu'o mi&= #39;e .latros.

On Sun, Feb 13, 2011 at 1:03 PM, Jerome <jige@altern.org>= ; wrote:
One mor= e question though : I don't get the ".iji'a" in Luke'= s answer, where does it come from? What does that mean?
Thanks again.


mu'o mi'e jexom.

Sunday, February 13, 2011, 6:42:59 PM, you wrote:


 Thanks a lot Luke, I definitely need to make some progress in lo= jban!

mu'o mi'e jexom.

Sunday, February 13, 2011, 6:36:45 PM, you wrote:


 No problem.

xorxes: (in subject) the reason for not not-using "toi" (the lojb= an doesn't make that double negative look as odd as it does in english)= . =A0(body) <xkcd link>
LukeABergen(me): =A0EXTREME-AGREEMENT! =A0Also, similarly "li'u&qu= ot;.
<end translation>

Moral of the story, even if the grammar allows it (and it does in some circ= umstances) don't leave {toi}s and {li'u}s hanging. =A0At best it= 9;s still ugly and confusing.

On Sun, Feb 13, 2011 at 9:34 AM, Jerome <jige@altern.org> wrote:
Folks,

I understand it may be a pain for you, but since I'm really beginning t= o learn lojban, that would be *very* helpful if you could translate this th= read in English. Thanks in advance!

mu'o mi'e jexom.


Saturday, February 12, 2011, 5:13:27 PM, you wrote:


 .iecai .iji'a simsa tu'a zo li'u pe'i
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