From lojban+bncCOjSjrXVGBC4xODqBBoELCR7CA@googlegroups.com Sun Feb 13 10:26:16 2011 Received: from mail-gy0-f189.google.com ([209.85.160.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PogeC-0005c3-Dw; Sun, 13 Feb 2011 10:26:16 -0800 Received: by gyb11 with SMTP id 11sf3870428gyb.16 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2011 10:26:06 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version :in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=xzr78C0DVGcsaS5vJq3grL7M77s7oKuMitPygCCc7iA=; b=HGcDcDIpM18OqedFyQY7jgJ+BPHyF1W8avyhTdmU77fkIf7oM24EPkU89FzIAkRun1 FHsM/w8RqTCVk2YtlMEz04BXf9fchhU2XhpsvrzUeBMcnDK7OrEzpdoPYaxK4g7k78g5 uMvNSe+jzdUulu+DyMkxjTDLlJXfkWc1B1EH0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from :date:message-id:subject:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=UWMpMvrk2i4FzQ77Lk3do6tEhRIfZKgln14r3sQ79eui3+qpFRXN74Debol1u6vweb 6XwCJz/+zRgfYYBAykSMboXGqFxuTOrswtgs45ZdiYA1uQ6y15+0vAPGaAfUTBW3LqGL KycQnM3zM4NxtiJ8vLxCEzp2DgALDWMaXBu64= Received: by 10.150.189.3 with SMTP id m3mr365852ybf.23.1297621560038; Sun, 13 Feb 2011 10:26:00 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.231.200.3 with SMTP id eu3ls2931464ibb.1.p; Sun, 13 Feb 2011 10:25:59 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.231.172.146 with SMTP id l18mr849177ibz.2.1297621559303; Sun, 13 Feb 2011 10:25:59 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.231.172.146 with SMTP id l18mr849176ibz.2.1297621559273; Sun, 13 Feb 2011 10:25:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-iw0-f180.google.com (mail-iw0-f180.google.com [209.85.214.180]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id d9si425870ibq.3.2011.02.13.10.25.59 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 13 Feb 2011 10:25:59 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of lukeabergen@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.180 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.214.180; Received: by iwn37 with SMTP id 37so5336745iwn.25 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2011 10:25:59 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.42.178.137 with SMTP id bm9mr3787504icb.147.1297621558387; Sun, 13 Feb 2011 10:25:58 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.231.199.19 with HTTP; Sun, 13 Feb 2011 10:25:38 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <774344.116.1297591912469.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@prhq39> <4D580B69.9050704@kli.org> From: Luke Bergen Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2011 13:25:38 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Alternate counting? To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: lukeabergen@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of lukeabergen@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.180 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=lukeabergen@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=90e6ba6e860a0a6526049c2e10e7 --90e6ba6e860a0a6526049c2e10e7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I usually count like: pa.re.ci.vo.mu.xa.ze.bi.so.pano.pare.paci.[...].panono.panopa.panore.[...] Or if I'm in a real hurry: pa,re,ci,vo[...]pano,papa,pare,paci[...],panono,panopa,[etc...] On Sun, Feb 13, 2011 at 12:16 PM, Alex Rozenshteyn wr= ote: > http://dag.github.com/cll/18/12/ > > The ability to utter bare numbers as grammatical Lojban sentences is > primarily intended for giving answers to =93xo=94 questions. (Another use= , > obviously, is for counting off physical objects one by one.) > > This implies {pa .i re .i ci}, not {pa re ci} for counting, right? > > Because honestly, I've used both when counting to myself (stitches, durin= g > knitting and crocheting), depending on whether the extra syllable was > convenient. > > Similarly, I can imagine counting time in music with {pa re ci} when > counting quarter notes and {pa .i re .i ci .i vo .i} when counting eighth= s. > I'm not sure what horrible mangling of grammar I would do for 16th notes. > > 2011/2/13 Jorge Llamb=EDas > > On Sun, Feb 13, 2011 at 1:48 PM, Mark E. Shoulson wrote: >> > On 02/13/2011 11:03 AM, Jorge Llamb=EDas wrote: >> >> >> >> I can't find anything in CLL about counting, but I think the way to >> >> count in Lojban is: >> >> >> >> pa .i re .i ci .i vo .i mu ... >> >> >> >> If you don't insert the ".i" between numbers, you end up saying one >> >> large number instead of counting. >> > >> > Or {pa boi re boi ci boi...}. Not exactly sure what such a string wou= ld >> > wind up being... >> >> That doesn't seem to be grammatical. >> >> mu'o mi'e xorxes >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Group= s >> "lojban" group. >> To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=3Den. >> >> > > > -- > Alex R > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=3Den. > --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den. --90e6ba6e860a0a6526049c2e10e7 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I usually count like:
pa.re.ci.vo.mu.xa.ze.bi.so.pano.pare.paci.[...].p= anono.panopa.panore.[...]

Or if I'm in a real = hurry:=A0
pa,re,ci,vo[...]pano,papa,pare,paci[...],panono,panopa,= [etc...]

On Sun, Feb 13, 2011 at 12:16 PM, Alex Rozen= shteyn <rpglov= er64@gmail.com> wrote:
http://dag.g= ithub.com/cll/18/12/

The ability= to utter bare numbers as grammatical Lojban sentences is primarily intended for giving answers to =93xo=94 questions. (Another use, obviously, is for counting off physical objects one by one.)

This implies {pa .i re .i ci}, not {pa re ci} for counting, rig= ht?

Because honestly, I've used both when counting to myself (st= itches, during knitting and crocheting), depending on whether the extra syl= lable was convenient.

Similarly, I can imagine counting time in music with {pa re ci} when co= unting quarter notes and {pa .i re .i ci .i vo .i} when counting eighths. I= 'm not sure what horrible mangling of grammar I would do for 16th notes= .

2011/2/13 Jorge Llamb=EDas <jjllambias@g= mail.com>

On Sun, Feb 13, 2011 at 1:48 PM, Mark E. Shoulson <mark@kli.org> wrote:
> On 02/13/2011 11:03 AM, Jorge Llamb=EDas wrote:
>>
>> I can't find anything in CLL about counting, but I think the w= ay to
>> count in Lojban is:
>>
>> pa .i re .i ci .i vo .i mu ...
>>
>> If you don't insert the ".i" between numbers, you en= d up saying one
>> large number instead of counting.
>
> Or {pa boi re boi ci boi...}. =A0Not exactly sure what such a string w= ould
> wind up being...

That doesn't seem to be grammatical.

mu'o mi'e xorxes

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