From lojban+bncCOib25n_BhCC6-DqBBoESY7tfw@googlegroups.com Sun Feb 13 11:48:37 2011 Received: from mail-yw0-f61.google.com ([209.85.213.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Pohvq-0003dl-Ac; Sun, 13 Feb 2011 11:48:36 -0800 Received: by ywh1 with SMTP id 1sf3908539ywh.16 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2011 11:48:24 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=fyoPIGTxM5wwvDSjugeJ6/KLzk6ojpz3m5WTH0TFGNQ=; b=qVRitVLUl3LmPIdsboJ6wt+jtBUKqwpcRa9HDo96V9PKYtVIQdO3rsOQ8hvxjndPSo nyP6/E3K+q6gFcqqOYCbTsiVQ1nk6x+GsCUZGD7oq1rUDCSyU3UCP1w3581hvxqC74Tb FI0Eez7JkgCiPMRgB/B0/YqBalQOihQZfFJ+k= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=zyGpm3tA8gNMCKqgmC1ymBjiI4BsEJpprWca1mj4Ab+UhvSF3brd1zj2DJTObyh2EC 0wxxvVwUA5JwCc4AHtJzLpQ+V+tEiZhM5VEabaFuy3YaCODoaD2dw24t0VB/2ZOlcZ5y 0rq2ZVuFSK3yb1B2Q/MT5NJOF6DGH+jCt3QNI= Received: by 10.150.53.11 with SMTP id b11mr407634yba.42.1297626498259; Sun, 13 Feb 2011 11:48:18 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.231.2.82 with SMTP id 18ls5104271ibi.2.p; Sun, 13 Feb 2011 11:48:17 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.231.39.205 with SMTP id h13mr603921ibe.4.1297626497503; Sun, 13 Feb 2011 11:48:17 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.231.39.205 with SMTP id h13mr603920ibe.4.1297626497404; Sun, 13 Feb 2011 11:48:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-iy0-f169.google.com (mail-iy0-f169.google.com [209.85.210.169]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id m30si438119ibu.6.2011.02.13.11.48.17 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 13 Feb 2011 11:48:17 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of rpglover64@gmail.com designates 209.85.210.169 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.210.169; Received: by iyi20 with SMTP id 20so4264885iyi.14 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2011 11:48:17 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.42.228.10 with SMTP id jc10mr3876088icb.11.1297626496647; Sun, 13 Feb 2011 11:48:16 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.42.166.133 with HTTP; Sun, 13 Feb 2011 11:48:16 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <774344.116.1297591912469.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@prhq39> <4D580B69.9050704@kli.org> Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2011 14:48:16 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Alternate counting? From: Alex Rozenshteyn To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: rpglover64@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of rpglover64@gmail.com designates 209.85.210.169 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=rpglover64@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=20cf3054967362434b049c2f36a2 --20cf3054967362434b049c2f36a2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable As I understand it, {pa,re} is morphologically invalid, and if it were vali= d phonetically indistinguishable from {pare}. On Sun, Feb 13, 2011 at 1:25 PM, Luke Bergen wrote: > I usually count like: > pa.re.ci.vo.mu.xa.ze.bi.so.pano.pare.paci.[...].panono.panopa.panore.[...= ] > > Or if I'm in a real hurry: > pa,re,ci,vo[...]pano,papa,pare,paci[...],panono,panopa,[etc...] > > On Sun, Feb 13, 2011 at 12:16 PM, Alex Rozenshteyn = wrote: > >> http://dag.github.com/cll/18/12/ >> >> The ability to utter bare numbers as grammatical Lojban sentences is >> primarily intended for giving answers to =93xo=94 questions. (Another us= e, >> obviously, is for counting off physical objects one by one.) >> >> This implies {pa .i re .i ci}, not {pa re ci} for counting, right? >> >> Because honestly, I've used both when counting to myself (stitches, duri= ng >> knitting and crocheting), depending on whether the extra syllable was >> convenient. >> >> Similarly, I can imagine counting time in music with {pa re ci} when >> counting quarter notes and {pa .i re .i ci .i vo .i} when counting eight= hs. >> I'm not sure what horrible mangling of grammar I would do for 16th notes= . >> >> 2011/2/13 Jorge Llamb=EDas >> >> On Sun, Feb 13, 2011 at 1:48 PM, Mark E. Shoulson wrote: >>> > On 02/13/2011 11:03 AM, Jorge Llamb=EDas wrote: >>> >> >>> >> I can't find anything in CLL about counting, but I think the way to >>> >> count in Lojban is: >>> >> >>> >> pa .i re .i ci .i vo .i mu ... >>> >> >>> >> If you don't insert the ".i" between numbers, you end up saying one >>> >> large number instead of counting. >>> > >>> > Or {pa boi re boi ci boi...}. Not exactly sure what such a string >>> would >>> > wind up being... >>> >>> That doesn't seem to be grammatical. >>> >>> mu'o mi'e xorxes >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Grou= ps >>> "lojban" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=3Den. >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> Alex R >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Group= s >> "lojban" group. >> To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=3Den. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=3Den. > --=20 Alex R --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den. --20cf3054967362434b049c2f36a2 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable As I understand it, {pa,re} is morphologically invalid, and if it were vali= d phonetically indistinguishable from {pare}.

On Sun, Feb 13, 2011 at 1:25 PM, Luke Bergen <lukeabergen@gmail.com> = wrote:
I usually count l= ike:
pa.re.ci.vo.mu.xa.ze.bi.so.pano.pare.paci.[...].panono.panopa.pano= re.[...]

Or if I'm in a real hurry:=A0
pa,re,ci,vo= [...]pano,papa,pare,paci[...],panono,panopa,[etc...]

On Sun, Fe= b 13, 2011 at 12:16 PM, Alex Rozenshteyn <rpglover64@gmail.com><= /span> wrote:
=
http://dag.g= ithub.com/cll/18/12/

The abili= ty to utter bare numbers as grammatical Lojban sentences is primarily intended for giving answers to =93xo=94 questions. (Another use, obviously, is for counting off physical objects one by one.)

This implies {pa .i re .i ci}, not {pa re ci} for counting, rig= ht?

Because honestly, I've used both when counting to myself (st= itches, during knitting and crocheting), depending on whether the extra syl= lable was convenient.

Similarly, I can imagine counting time in music with {pa re ci} when co= unting quarter notes and {pa .i re .i ci .i vo .i} when counting eighths. I= 'm not sure what horrible mangling of grammar I would do for 16th notes= .

2011/2/13 Jorge Llamb=EDas <jjllambias@g= mail.com>

On Sun, Feb 13, 2011 at 1:48 PM, Mark E. Shoulson <mark@kli.org> wrote:
> On 02/13/2011 11:03 AM, Jorge Llamb=EDas wrote:
>>
>> I can't find anything in CLL about counting, but I think the w= ay to
>> count in Lojban is:
>>
>> pa .i re .i ci .i vo .i mu ...
>>
>> If you don't insert the ".i" between numbers, you en= d up saying one
>> large number instead of counting.
>
> Or {pa boi re boi ci boi...}. =A0Not exactly sure what such a string w= ould
> wind up being...

That doesn't seem to be grammatical.

mu'o mi'e xorxes

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