From lojban+bncCNSZ3eHoCBDO9eLqBBoE5b70XQ@googlegroups.com Sun Feb 13 21:17:16 2011 Received: from mail-yw0-f61.google.com ([209.85.213.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PoqoD-00053s-7C; Sun, 13 Feb 2011 21:17:16 -0800 Received: by ywh1 with SMTP id 1sf4242303ywh.16 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2011 21:17:07 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version :in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=kkytxvhxwReq76Em6yijDvhyZ+c5KcLosrBEgPvWrCg=; b=rhVaxzUhQRAbln+Er5zqXrgetDQpwvZnHh5jz20iUEk3wp4ruAuGxpqvzyZt9GaoPB 6KrEC8TFa974/rdAGvPbBCmb06+8xIj2FzZptkiSNiZe60JY9LDtsjnFX0g6dJnwqFCO m2BipMCTGKemDA6OpgKKR07SJ0OEVsllxYySY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from :date:message-id:subject:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=EJ2TVk6rjKOfhD+NUH+OQOy2UmvvI63vmkr00/rTmNt34X32HXQ9jgXLkxhvSUtnyC Ra6HNiuXDd+NrUgKt7eRcHUsaQPgiTL8KBm5zBVJHNRM31m8H2pirOz19ntKtmnZn0bZ bFW7YGsFw9wsOLb4H38S58L1F4xtcvIR+s3oQ= Received: by 10.101.26.3 with SMTP id d3mr175973anj.49.1297660622811; Sun, 13 Feb 2011 21:17:02 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.100.56.38 with SMTP id e38ls971692ana.3.p; Sun, 13 Feb 2011 21:17:02 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.100.112.5 with SMTP id k5mr1054765anc.51.1297660621850; Sun, 13 Feb 2011 21:17:01 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.100.112.5 with SMTP id k5mr1054764anc.51.1297660621812; Sun, 13 Feb 2011 21:17:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-yw0-f49.google.com (mail-yw0-f49.google.com [209.85.213.49]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id i10si1062071anh.8.2011.02.13.21.17.01 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 13 Feb 2011 21:17:01 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of frankdmartinez@gmail.com designates 209.85.213.49 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.213.49; Received: by ywf7 with SMTP id 7so2405574ywf.22 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2011 21:17:01 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.151.82.4 with SMTP id j4mr1887391ybl.251.1297660621053; Sun, 13 Feb 2011 21:17:01 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.147.32.19 with HTTP; Sun, 13 Feb 2011 21:16:40 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <774344.116.1297591912469.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@prhq39> <4D580B69.9050704@kli.org> From: Frank Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2011 00:16:40 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Alternate counting? To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: frankdmartinez@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of frankdmartinez@gmail.com designates 209.85.213.49 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=frankdmartinez@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000e0cd405d25b5f47049c372836 --000e0cd405d25b5f47049c372836 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable According to L4B, traditional counting is of the form "li pa li re li ci", as opposed to, say, "pa .i re .i ci". mi'e xuinkrbin. On 13 February 2011 14:48, Alex Rozenshteyn wrote: > As I understand it, {pa,re} is morphologically invalid, and if it were > valid phonetically indistinguishable from {pare}. > > > On Sun, Feb 13, 2011 at 1:25 PM, Luke Bergen wrote= : > >> I usually count like: >> pa.re.ci.vo.mu.xa.ze.bi.so.pano.pare.paci.[...].panono.panopa.panore.[..= .] >> >> Or if I'm in a real hurry: >> pa,re,ci,vo[...]pano,papa,pare,paci[...],panono,panopa,[etc...] >> >> On Sun, Feb 13, 2011 at 12:16 PM, Alex Rozenshteyn wrote: >> >>> http://dag.github.com/cll/18/12/ >>> >>> The ability to utter bare numbers as grammatical Lojban sentences is >>> primarily intended for giving answers to =93xo=94 questions. (Another u= se, >>> obviously, is for counting off physical objects one by one.) >>> >>> This implies {pa .i re .i ci}, not {pa re ci} for counting, right? >>> >>> Because honestly, I've used both when counting to myself (stitches, >>> during knitting and crocheting), depending on whether the extra syllabl= e was >>> convenient. >>> >>> Similarly, I can imagine counting time in music with {pa re ci} when >>> counting quarter notes and {pa .i re .i ci .i vo .i} when counting eigh= ths. >>> I'm not sure what horrible mangling of grammar I would do for 16th note= s. >>> >>> 2011/2/13 Jorge Llamb=EDas >>> >>> On Sun, Feb 13, 2011 at 1:48 PM, Mark E. Shoulson wrote: >>>> > On 02/13/2011 11:03 AM, Jorge Llamb=EDas wrote: >>>> >> >>>> >> I can't find anything in CLL about counting, but I think the way to >>>> >> count in Lojban is: >>>> >> >>>> >> pa .i re .i ci .i vo .i mu ... >>>> >> >>>> >> If you don't insert the ".i" between numbers, you end up saying one >>>> >> large number instead of counting. >>>> > >>>> > Or {pa boi re boi ci boi...}. Not exactly sure what such a string >>>> would >>>> > wind up being... >>>> >>>> That doesn't seem to be grammatical. >>>> >>>> mu'o mi'e xorxes >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "lojban" group. >>>> To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>> lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=3Den. >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Alex R >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Grou= ps >>> "lojban" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=3Den. >>> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Group= s >> "lojban" group. >> To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=3Den. >> > > > > -- > Alex R > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=3Den. > --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den. --000e0cd405d25b5f47049c372836 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Acco= rding to L4B, traditional counting is of the form "li pa li re li ci", as opposed to, say, "pa .i re .i ci"= ;.

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mi'e xuinkrbin.

= On 13 February 2011 14:48, Alex Rozenshteyn <rpglover64@gmail.com> wrote:=
As I understand it, {pa,re} is morphologica= lly invalid, and if it were valid phonetically indistinguishable from {pare= }.


On Sun, Feb= 13, 2011 at 1:25 PM, Luke Bergen <lukeabergen@gmail.com> wrote:
I usually count like:pa.re.ci.vo.mu.xa.ze.bi.so.pano.pare.paci.[...].panono.panopa.panore.[..= .]

Or if I'm in a real hurry:=A0
pa,re,ci,vo= [...]pano,papa,pare,paci[...],panono,panopa,[etc...]

On Sun, Feb 13, 2011 at= 12:16 PM, Alex Rozenshteyn <rpglover64@gmail.com> wrote:=
<= /div>
http://dag.g= ithub.com/cll/18/12/

The ability= to utter bare numbers as grammatical Lojban sentences is primarily intended for giving answers to =93xo=94 questions. (Another use, obviously, is for counting off physical objects one by one.)

This implies {pa .i re .i ci}, not {pa re ci} for counting, rig= ht?

Because honestly, I've used both when counting to myself (st= itches, during knitting and crocheting), depending on whether the extra syl= lable was convenient.

Similarly, I can imagine counting time in music with {pa re ci} when co= unting quarter notes and {pa .i re .i ci .i vo .i} when counting eighths. I= 'm not sure what horrible mangling of grammar I would do for 16th notes= .

2011/2/13 Jorge Llamb=EDas <jjllambias@g= mail.com>

On Sun, Feb 13, 2011 at 1:48 PM, Mark E. Shoulson <mark@kli.org> wrote:
> On 02/13/2011 11:03 AM, Jorge Llamb=EDas wrote:
>>
>> I can't find anything in CLL about counting, but I think the w= ay to
>> count in Lojban is:
>>
>> pa .i re .i ci .i vo .i mu ...
>>
>> If you don't insert the ".i" between numbers, you en= d up saying one
>> large number instead of counting.
>
> Or {pa boi re boi ci boi...}. =A0Not exactly sure what such a string w= ould
> wind up being...

That doesn't seem to be grammatical.

mu'o mi'e xorxes

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