From lojban+bncCMHEmaCOBhDco4vrBBoE8H1wbA@googlegroups.com Mon Feb 21 12:58:21 2011 Received: from mail-yi0-f61.google.com ([209.85.218.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Prcpk-0008Op-7H; Mon, 21 Feb 2011 12:58:21 -0800 Received: by yia27 with SMTP id 27sf5834457yia.16 for ; Mon, 21 Feb 2011 12:58:10 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=xEDptnipxONpj2dVx/wODQJY04vLiYO88XZ1kjYn0c4=; b=gSuL2XDthP+OG9v2dO1kJFEpYdFHpKat8EDJp7mC9jkig8tMACLWa9RMTfrikn3BwU S8MwLB4sqWZ8+zhO02+JYV4lAIjvACnfWv2K7cRaAxwksQ03abu9WEFyFNJcYiKirtNs H0DntidXQHreQqSjDG1alNzH3uIcYmyz+f+pw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=T5hfqwXJx/LJTjUfGSPeCY1f6HzE1iUnodRgaKU52KcT+ljK1m1OQMI75XUsvPnN3r s8nol8jmay7nifGaSGUzN9j1q+MzENId6GCUzjjwbw920kXEanMCZUtF2aE5IKNrhdmj iKLulOHnHlcxO7bYQ0oYlCJrOEORzpXt+9vzI= Received: by 10.150.215.10 with SMTP id n10mr301235ybg.76.1298321884514; Mon, 21 Feb 2011 12:58:04 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.231.76.165 with SMTP id c37ls5279203ibk.3.p; Mon, 21 Feb 2011 12:58:03 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.231.208.4 with SMTP id ga4mr547758ibb.11.1298321883483; Mon, 21 Feb 2011 12:58:03 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.231.208.4 with SMTP id ga4mr547757ibb.11.1298321883443; Mon, 21 Feb 2011 12:58:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-iy0-f173.google.com (mail-iy0-f173.google.com [209.85.210.173]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id d9si1235625ibq.7.2011.02.21.12.58.03 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 21 Feb 2011 12:58:03 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.210.173 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.210.173; Received: by iym7 with SMTP id 7so774714iym.32 for ; Mon, 21 Feb 2011 12:58:03 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.231.38.10 with SMTP id z10mr1478642ibd.107.1298321883244; Mon, 21 Feb 2011 12:58:03 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.231.200.198 with HTTP; Mon, 21 Feb 2011 12:58:03 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20110221153759.GB29660@alice.local> References: <20110218183334.GA25026@alice.local> <20110221151704.GA29660@alice.local> <20110221153759.GB29660@alice.local> Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2011 13:58:03 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] zbalermorna From: Jonathan Jones To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: eyeonus@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.210.173 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=eyeonus@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0022152d5fcda7aa35049cd11eec --0022152d5fcda7aa35049cd11eec Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I'm guessing it was all made with an image manipulation program, like the gIMP or Abode PaintShop. On Mon, Feb 21, 2011 at 8:37 AM, .alyn.post. wrote: > I'll be interested to know if we're even talking about the same > thing. :-) > > Here is what I have in mind: > > http://www.lojban.org/tiki/Lakmir.%27s+Vowel-Diacritic+Orthography > > -Alan > > On Mon, Feb 21, 2011 at 08:31:24AM -0700, Jonathan Jones wrote: > > I could probably figure it out if I was looking at it, but I have no > idea > > idea this point. I don't remember ever seeing this orthograohy. > > > > On Mon, Feb 21, 2011 at 8:17 AM, .alyn.post. > > <[1]alyn.post@lodockikumazvati.org> wrote: > > > > Efrain, > > > > Can you link to what you understand to be the current version of > > zbalermorna? > > > > I don't suppose anyone knows how the sample image was generated. > > In particular, I don't suppose anyone knows (or can guess) how > > the individual lerfu glyphs were generated? > > > > -Alan > > On Mon, Feb 21, 2011 at 11:02:47AM -0400, Efrain Caro wrote: > > > Unfortunately, the version featured on the wiki is an early one. > > > Afterwards, it was changed, so playing with that version is not > the > > > best choice. Kmir (or lakmir) promised to publish a pdf after he > > > annouced the final version. He never published it as long as I > know. > > > Since nobody else has replied, I guess nobody knows and the > inventor > > > is no longer subscribed, or is not paying attention. I only hope > for > > > the final version of zbalermorna to be finally published. > > > > > > Efrain > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Feb 18, 2011 at 2:33 PM, .alyn.post. > > > <[2]alyn.post@lodockikumazvati.org> wrote: > > > > That one is my favorite too. I've played with it a little; it > would > > > > be nice to see a new diagram with the updates suggested at the > > > > bottom of the wiki page. > > > > > > > > -Alan > > > > > > -- > > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > > Groups "lojban" group. > > > To post to this group, send email to [3]lojban@googlegroups.com. > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > [4]lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > > > For more options, visit this group at > > [5]http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. > > > > > > > -- > > .i ko djuno fi le do sevzi > > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > > Groups "lojban" group. > > To post to this group, send email to [6]lojban@googlegroups.com. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > [7]lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > > For more options, visit this group at > > [8]http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. > > > > -- > > mu'o mi'e .aionys. > > > > .i.a'o.e'e ko cmima le bende pe lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi > patfu > > do zo'o > > (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D ) > > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups > > "lojban" group. > > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > > For more options, visit this group at > > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. > > > > References > > > > Visible links > > 1. mailto:alyn.post@lodockikumazvati.org > > 2. mailto:alyn.post@lodockikumazvati.org > > 3. mailto:lojban@googlegroups.com > > 4. mailto:lojban%2Bunsubscribe@googlegroups.com > > 5. http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en > > 6. mailto:lojban@googlegroups.com > > 7. mailto:lojban%2Bunsubscribe@googlegroups.com > > 8. http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en > > -- > .i ko djuno fi le do sevzi > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. > > -- mu'o mi'e .aionys. .i.a'o.e'e ko cmima le bende pe lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D ) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. --0022152d5fcda7aa35049cd11eec Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'm guessing it was all made with an image manipulation program, like t= he gIMP or Abode PaintShop.

On Mon, Feb 2= 1, 2011 at 8:37 AM, .alyn.post. <alyn.post@lodockikumazvati.org> = wrote:
I'll be inter= ested to know if we're even talking about the same
thing. =A0:-)

Here is what I have in mind:

=A0http://www.lojban.org/tiki/Lakmir.%27s+Vowel-Diac= ritic+Orthography

-Alan

On Mon, Feb 21, 2011 at 08:31:24AM -0700, Jonathan Jones wrote:
> =A0 =A0I could probably figure it out if I was looking at it, but I ha= ve no idea
> =A0 =A0idea this point. I don't remember ever seeing this orthogra= ohy.
>
> =A0 =A0On Mon, Feb 21, 2011 at 8:17 AM, .alyn.post.
> =A0 =A0<[1]alyn.post@lodockikumazvati.org> wrote:
>
> =A0 =A0 =A0Efrain,
>
> =A0 =A0 =A0Can you link to what you understand to be the current versi= on of
> =A0 =A0 =A0zbalermorna?
>
> =A0 =A0 =A0I don't suppose anyone knows how the sample image was g= enerated.
> =A0 =A0 =A0In particular, I don't suppose anyone knows (or can gue= ss) how
> =A0 =A0 =A0the individual lerfu glyphs were generated?
>
> =A0 =A0 =A0-Alan
> =A0 =A0 =A0On Mon, Feb 21, 2011 at 11:02:47AM -0400, Efrain Caro wrote= :
> =A0 =A0 =A0> Unfortunately, the version featured on the wiki is an = early one.
> =A0 =A0 =A0> Afterwards, it was changed, so playing with that versi= on is not the
> =A0 =A0 =A0> best choice. Kmir (or lakmir) promised to publish a pd= f after he
> =A0 =A0 =A0> annouced the final version. He never published it as l= ong as I know.
> =A0 =A0 =A0> Since nobody else has replied, I guess nobody knows an= d the inventor
> =A0 =A0 =A0> is no longer subscribed, or is not paying attention. I= only hope for
> =A0 =A0 =A0> the final version of zbalermorna to be finally publish= ed.
> =A0 =A0 =A0>
> =A0 =A0 =A0> Efrain
> =A0 =A0 =A0>
> =A0 =A0 =A0>
> =A0 =A0 =A0>
> =A0 =A0 =A0> On Fri, Feb 18, 2011 at 2:33 PM, .alyn.post.
> =A0 =A0 =A0> <[2]alyn.post@lodockikumazvati.org> wrote: > =A0 =A0 =A0> > That one is my favorite too. I've played with= it a little; it would
> =A0 =A0 =A0> > be nice to see a new diagram with the updates sug= gested at the
> =A0 =A0 =A0> > bottom of the wiki page.
> =A0 =A0 =A0> >
> =A0 =A0 =A0> > -Alan
> =A0 =A0 =A0>
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