From lojban+bncCIycn8S8DhDt943rBBoEyS8bwg@googlegroups.com Tue Feb 22 01:04:47 2011 Received: from mail-vx0-f189.google.com ([209.85.220.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1ProAg-0004ph-7a; Tue, 22 Feb 2011 01:04:46 -0800 Received: by vxc33 with SMTP id 33sf621919vxc.16 for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2011 01:03:47 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=ku17uQIv1kTixisMMxZzvbK6kVJtmpdgfAPNi2sUWPk=; b=m2TRJNItR8oslH19YYv765ryzD2YhINVjGnQ2tQz1K7Z0Etm3llJXYzJHkEi3r1l1y pDAKT2rbVrSafY/Nrn5dY11GASIjR9Kz6dfO93tHkc6Ps2hJnQKfDWbzPxXQ04+Vao0y r2ZsMEz0rLTwKAVeiQzccCbpNdyyDWkOHMsr4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=UWT9DcnDYTE9g274qlYulc6e66tvar1uiFYh+2eYEVDaWtmAPsL4t8MYi+iV/ukZT6 AW5qAeWBfhM3dDNko2OhLXKTsZcYlJUaAHoPNwA9eOLjipDJAlAYsEJZlE59DNfFgiMV rYVXIbU7n3m0ieDBY2CNKcuPhPqjMaGV5bUmg= Received: by 10.220.193.140 with SMTP id du12mr196225vcb.39.1298365421333; Tue, 22 Feb 2011 01:03:41 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.220.109.137 with SMTP id j9ls1871723vcp.0.p; Tue, 22 Feb 2011 01:03:40 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.220.185.85 with SMTP id cn21mr667288vcb.24.1298365420258; Tue, 22 Feb 2011 01:03:40 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.220.185.85 with SMTP id cn21mr667287vcb.24.1298365420223; Tue, 22 Feb 2011 01:03:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-qw0-f44.google.com (mail-qw0-f44.google.com [209.85.216.44]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id c37si962970vcs.6.2011.02.22.01.03.40 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 22 Feb 2011 01:03:40 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of mturniansky@gmail.com designates 209.85.216.44 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.216.44; Received: by qwh6 with SMTP id 6so1031826qwh.3 for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2011 01:03:40 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.224.80.136 with SMTP id t8mr1972630qak.113.1298365419178; Tue, 22 Feb 2011 01:03:39 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.229.222.15 with HTTP; Tue, 22 Feb 2011 01:03:38 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <28192537.540.1297663900410.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@prhq39> <26356.79205.qm@web81306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2011 04:03:38 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Alternate counting? From: Michael Turniansky To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: mturniansky@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of mturniansky@gmail.com designates 209.85.216.44 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=mturniansky@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0015175cd598994beb049cdb41f6 --0015175cd598994beb049cdb41f6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Incidentally, the way I've always taught my kids to count in lojban (whether or not that was the original issue, and whther or not it was right= ) was "pa pi'e re pi'e ci..." --gejyspa On Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 6:04 PM, Jonathan Jones wrote: > I'm not entirely sure that Lindar was talking about counting as in "1, 2, > 3, 4" in the first place. > > count=96verb (used with object) > 1. to check over (the separate units or groups of a collection) one by on= e > to determine the total > number; add up; enumerate: He counted his tickets and found he had ten. > 2. to reckon up; calculate; compute. > 3. to list or name the > numerals up to: Close your eyes and count ten. > 4. to include in a reckoning; take into account: There are five of us > here, counting me. > 5. to reckon to the credit of another; ascribe; impute. > 6. to consider or regard: He counted himself lucky to have survived the > crash. > > Like most English words, there are multiple senses to "count". "1,2,3,4" > would be definition 1 a/o 2, "1.4653*10^4" would, I think, be 2. > > To quote Lindar: > > "To expand on the question, I mean rather than saying 14326 as "one four > three two six" instead of "fourteen thousand three hundred twenty-six" ar= e > there any other counting methods? Counting exponentially, or any other > system that isn't just saying all of the numbers starting at the highest > place and ending at the singles?" > > I'm pretty sure by "counting exponentially", he is referring to scientifi= c > notation (2.25*10^2), or possibly factorization (225 =3D 3^2*5^2). > > > On Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 2:44 PM, MorphemeAddict wrote= : > >> What have these to do with counting? Or is that no longer the issue? >> >> stevo >> >> On Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 12:26 PM, John E Clifford = wrote: >> >>> IIRC there are gismu for at least 10^3n and a cmavo for E (but don't >>> ask me what any of these are) >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> *From:* Jonathan Jones >>> *To:* lojban@googlegroups.com >>> *Sent:* Mon, February 14, 2011 9:59:02 AM >>> *Subject:* Re: [lojban] Alternate counting? >>> >>> As in, for example, Scientific Notation? 1.4326*10^4, as expressed in >>> Lojban? >>> >>> On Sun, Feb 13, 2011 at 11:11 PM, Lindar wrote= : >>> >>>> To expand on the question, I mean rather than saying 14326 as "one fou= r >>>> three two six" instead of "fourteen thousand three hundred twenty-six"= are >>>> there any other counting methods? Counting exponentially, or any other >>>> system that isn't just saying all of the numbers starting at the highe= st >>>> place and ending at the singles? >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "lojban" group. >>>> To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>> lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=3Den. >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> mu'o mi'e .aionys. >>> >>> .i.a'o.e'e ko cmima le bende pe lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi pat= fu >>> do zo'o >>> (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D ) >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Grou= ps >>> "lojban" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=3Den. >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Grou= ps >>> "lojban" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=3Den. >>> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Group= s >> "lojban" group. >> To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=3Den. >> > > > > -- > mu'o mi'e .aionys. > > .i.a'o.e'e ko cmima le bende pe lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu > do zo'o > (Come to the Dot Side! 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=A0 Incidentally, the way I've always taught my kids t= o count in lojban=A0 (whether or not that was the original issue, and whthe= r or not it was right) was "pa pi'e re pi'e ci..."
=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 --gejyspa

On Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 6:04 PM, Jonathan Jo= nes <eyeonus@gmai= l.com> wrote:
I'm not entirely sure that Lindar was talking about counting as in &quo= t;1, 2, 3, 4" in the first place.

count

=96verb (used with object)
1. t= o check over (the separate units or groups of a collection) one by one to determine<= /span> the=A0total number; add up; enumerate:= He<= /span> counted his tickets and found he had ten.
2= . to reckon up; calculate;= compute.
3.=A0to list or name=A0the numerals up to: Close your eyes and count ten.
4= . to include in a reckoning;= take into account: There are five of us here, counting me.=
5= . to reckon to the credit of another; ascribe; impute.
6. to consider or regard: He<= /span> counted himself lucky to have survived the crash.

Like most English words, there are mul= tiple senses to "count". "1,2,3,4" would be definition = 1 a/o 2, "1.4653*10^4" would, I think, be 2.

To quote Lind= ar:

"To expand on the question, I mean rather than saying 14326 as "o= ne four=20 three two six" instead of "fourteen thousand three hundred twenty= -six"=20 are there any other counting methods? Counting exponentially, or any=20 other system that isn't just saying all of the numbers starting at the= =20 highest place and ending at the singles?"

I'm pretty = sure by "counting exponentially", he is referring to scientific n= otation (2.25*10^2), or possibly factorization (225 =3D 3^2*5^2).


On Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 2:44 PM, MorphemeAddict <lytlesw@gmail.com>= wrote:
What have these to do with counting? Or is that no longer the issue? <= /div>
=A0
stevo

On Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 12:26 PM, John E Cliffor= d <kali9putra@yahoo.com> wrote:
IIRC there are gismu for at least 10^3n and a cmavo for E (but don&= #39;t ask me what any of these are)


From: Jonathan Jones <<= a href=3D"mailto:eyeonus@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">eyeonus@gmail.com= >
To: lojban@googlegroups.com<= br> Sent: Mon, February 14, 20= 11 9:59:02 AM
Subject: = Re: [lojban] Alternate counting?

As in, for example, Scientific Notation? 1.4326*10^4, as expressed= in Lojban?

On Sun, Feb 13, 2011 at 11:11 PM, Lindar <lindarthebard@yahoo.com> wrote:
To expand on the = question, I mean rather than saying 14326 as "one four three two six&q= uot; instead of "fourteen thousand three hundred twenty-six" are = there any other counting methods? Counting exponentially, or any other syst= em that isn't just saying all of the numbers starting at the highest pl= ace and ending at the singles?=20

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