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User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Windows/20050923) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] Omegawiki and jbovlaste References: <24737233.1194.1298460946593.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@vbbfl13> <20110223211459.GF38032@alice.local> In-Reply-To: <20110223211459.GF38032@alice.local> X-Original-Sender: lojbab@lojban.org X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 68.230.241.214 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of lojbab@lojban.org) smtp.mail=lojbab@lojban.org Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed .alyn.post. wrote: > On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 03:35:46AM -0800, najrut wrote: > >> Has anyone considered developing lojban part of Omegawiki ? It has one >> main advantage over jbovlaste, namely definitions of most words have been >> already written into it. > > I've worked with this site a fair bit today. > > Pros: > > * It's much more than a dictionary. We get a lot of stuff for > free. It's (trying to be) part of mediawiki's Semantic Wiki > software ecosystem. > * The above is actually helpful for me in writing definitions. > * It's fun to use, more fun that jbovlaste in my subjective > experience. > > Cons: > > * It's slow. This is not only my subjective experience but a topic > of discussion under "Taboo subjects" on the site talk page. > * It's much more than a dictionary. There is a lot of stuff in the > way of writing definitions. This means there isn't one screen to > attach all of the required data (word type, definition, &c) but > several. As well, getting the full definition > * It doesn't have voting, only discussion. This usage differs from > jbovlaste. > * The community is very small. I finally managed to raise someone > on IRC today but the channel has been quiet all day. Two different > developers have granted permission to various parts of the website, > however. > > In order to do any sort of bulk-upload, we'd have to map Lojban > words to OmegaWiki defined meanings. There isn't any way to do a > bulk upload without first pre-processing the data and associating > defined meanings. That probably represents a fair amount of work. > > -Alan You've apparently looked at both, but this seems to overlap the type of work required for Brian Eubanks effort with Lojban Wordnet (which you discussed with him last month on this list). I don't know if Omegawiki could be helpful on that effort (which is much more semantically oriented than jbovlaste), but it might be worth considering. lojbab -- Bob LeChevalier lojbab@lojban.org www.lojban.org President and Founder, The Logical Language Group, Inc. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en.