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To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] Omegawiki and jbovlaste Message-ID: <20110223225803.GH38032@alice.local> Mail-Followup-To: lojban@googlegroups.com References: <24737233.1194.1298460946593.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@vbbfl13> <20110223211459.GF38032@alice.local> <4D6589E6.8010402@lojban.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4D6589E6.8010402@lojban.org> X-Original-Sender: alyn.post@lodockikumazvati.org X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 209.85.216.182 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of alanpost@sunflowerriver.org) smtp.mail=alanpost@sunflowerriver.org Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 05:27:50PM -0500, Bob LeChevalier wrote: > .alyn.post. wrote: > >On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 03:35:46AM -0800, najrut wrote: > > > >> Has anyone considered developing lojban part of Omegawiki ? It has one > >> main advantage over jbovlaste, namely definitions of most words have > >> been > >> already written into it. > > > >I've worked with this site a fair bit today. > > > >Pros: > > > > * It's much more than a dictionary. We get a lot of stuff for > > free. It's (trying to be) part of mediawiki's Semantic Wiki > > software ecosystem. > > * The above is actually helpful for me in writing definitions. > > * It's fun to use, more fun that jbovlaste in my subjective > > experience. > > > >Cons: > > > > * It's slow. This is not only my subjective experience but a topic > > of discussion under "Taboo subjects" on the site talk page. > > * It's much more than a dictionary. There is a lot of stuff in the > > way of writing definitions. This means there isn't one screen to > > attach all of the required data (word type, definition, &c) but > > several. As well, getting the full definition > > * It doesn't have voting, only discussion. This usage differs from > > jbovlaste. > > * The community is very small. I finally managed to raise someone > > on IRC today but the channel has been quiet all day. Two different > > developers have granted permission to various parts of the website, > > however. > > > >In order to do any sort of bulk-upload, we'd have to map Lojban > >words to OmegaWiki defined meanings. There isn't any way to do a > >bulk upload without first pre-processing the data and associating > >defined meanings. That probably represents a fair amount of work. > > > >-Alan > > You've apparently looked at both, but this seems to overlap the type of > work required for Brian Eubanks effort with Lojban Wordnet (which you > discussed with him last month on this list). I don't know if Omegawiki > could be helpful on that effort (which is much more semantically > oriented than jbovlaste), but it might be worth considering. > > lojbab > -- > Bob LeChevalier lojbab@lojban.org www.lojban.org > President and Founder, The Logical Language Group, Inc. > I specifically brought that up in conversation on #omegawiki today, actually. Gerard, one of the OmegaWiki developers, offered to add the ability to link Wordnet ids to entries in OmegaWiki. -Alan -- .i ma'a lo bradi ku penmi gi'e du -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en.