From lojban+bncCMHEmaCOBhDTzZ_rBBoE3K2gOw@googlegroups.com Fri Feb 25 09:29:10 2011 Received: from mail-yw0-f61.google.com ([209.85.213.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Pt1TT-0007h2-1c; Fri, 25 Feb 2011 09:29:10 -0800 Received: by ywg8 with SMTP id 8sf919216ywg.16 for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2011 09:28:57 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results :x-google-group-id:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=XL9hCRyr1tXgYi6Yb5iBGg8NPBxZHO6XYglxsWf855Y=; b=nuoVmOG0+WaLzJp3RQneYoCn55yjpzkBeXyjb8cv081bHx3Rtwp5eGuM6l8eb8CADq aINlr3smmix3SegTWP0MNPOocUuhf9+85GP5BYsDWu1NFS43fjzIjfgAC2XvuuSM4wB3 4mzDkghwof0oJyMKo0UT/NNv5wfXiRJSIOmYo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:x-google-group-id:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=cduAKt1UVDs9D1uCkGbko5XPF2EwIqYorJm7qYchbZdUZyr9168FOpHXI6BSJpiKSH 6uF+FMqdu6zR7fScZ3Rim4Sn94QuNAFXfAQUItR4oliOixaSActTHrfKFUvPhhcWAVUa k1gmi9Cn3PEuq4vMr4a/xw2WQHBlBbLV8JxVY= Received: by 10.90.26.7 with SMTP id 7mr348498agz.10.1298654931635; Fri, 25 Feb 2011 09:28:51 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.231.57.97 with SMTP id b33ls841479ibh.0.p; Fri, 25 Feb 2011 09:28:50 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.231.16.131 with SMTP id o3mr758154iba.18.1298654930902; Fri, 25 Feb 2011 09:28:50 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.231.16.131 with SMTP id o3mr758153iba.18.1298654930806; Fri, 25 Feb 2011 09:28:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-iy0-f175.google.com (mail-iy0-f175.google.com [209.85.210.175]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id d9si186610ibq.7.2011.02.25.09.28.50 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 25 Feb 2011 09:28:50 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.210.175 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.210.175; Received: by mail-iy0-f175.google.com with SMTP id 26so1130471iyb.20 for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2011 09:28:50 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.42.161.137 with SMTP id t9mr1054904icx.114.1298654930671; Fri, 25 Feb 2011 09:28:50 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.231.200.198 with HTTP; Fri, 25 Feb 2011 09:28:50 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <12056049.313.1298617316637.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@prof15> <00504502d34a992077049d168774@google.com> Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2011 10:28:50 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: Re: [lojban-beginners] Question about {roda} From: Jonathan Jones To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: eyeonus@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.210.175 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=eyeonus@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com X-Google-Group-Id: -888834847 Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=90e6ba1eef14d4198b049d1ea932 --90e6ba1eef14d4198b049d1ea932 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 10:01 AM, Michael Turniansky wrote: > On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 11:13 AM, Jonathan Jones wrote: > >> >> >> >> I could say >> >> {mi gaukla to ko'a gasnu lonu ko'e klama kei toi re gerku fu le cerni >> snodzu to nu masno cadzu toi .i roda poi gerku me ra pe mi ku'o cmene >> la.bernerd. fa'u la.djenivas.}, but that's really freaking long and takes >> forever for me to express and everyone else to comprehend. So, instead, I'd >> probably say something more like this: >> >> {mi gaukla re gerku fu le cerni snodzu .i roda cu cmene la.bernerd. fa'u >> la.djenivas.} >> >> and leave it to context to determine what makes sense for {roda poi zo'e}. >> >> > > It took me a while to understand what you were trying to say, but then I > realized you meant "klagau", not "gaukla", and it all became clear (and you > also wanted. > No, I wanted gaukla. If you want klagau then put it in jbovlaste. > Although what you are actully saying in that second sentence is that the > two of them are each named everything (you probably meant to say "roda se > cmene zo bernerd. fau ze djenivas" (the X1 of cmene is the name, and it's in > the form of a string, not "la___" which is the actual thing named ____. > But why even go through all that verbiage, when you could simply say, "mi > klagau re gerku poi se cmene zo .bernerd. fa'u zo.djenivas."? But if you > wanted two sentences, the second one is simply ".i lo se go'i se cmene zo > .bernerd. fa'u zo.djenivas" (or "ra" rather than "lo se go'i", which is even > one syllable shorter than roda, and means what you want instead of > "everything") > --gejyspa > -- mu'o mi'e .aionys. .i.a'o.e'e ko cmima le bende pe lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D ) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. --90e6ba1eef14d4198b049d1ea932 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 10:01 AM, Michael Turnia= nsky <mturnia= nsky@gmail.com> wrote:
On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 11:13 = AM, Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:



I could say

{mi gaukla to ko'a gasnu lonu ko= 9;e klama kei toi re gerku fu le cerni snodzu to nu masno cadzu toi .i roda= poi gerku me ra pe mi ku'o cmene la.bernerd. fa'u la.djenivas.}, b= ut that's really freaking long and takes forever for me to express and = everyone else to comprehend. So, instead, I'd probably say something mo= re like this:

{mi gaukla re gerku fu le cerni snodzu .i roda cu cmene la.bernerd. fa&= #39;u la.djenivas.}

and leave it to context to determine what makes = sense for {roda poi zo'e}.
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=A0 It took me a while to understand what you were trying to say= , but then I realized you meant "klagau", not "gaukla",= and it all became clear (and you also wanted.

No, I wanted gaukla. If you want klagau then put it in jbovlaste.<= br>=A0
=A0 Although what you are actully saying in= that second sentence is that the two of them are each=A0named everything (= you probably meant to say "roda se cmene zo bernerd. fau ze djenivas&q= uot; (the=A0X1 of cmene is the=A0name, and it's in the form of a string= , not "la___" which is=A0the actual thing named ____.=A0=A0 But w= hy even go through all that verbiage, when you could simply say, "mi k= lagau re gerku poi se=A0cmene zo .bernerd. fa'u zo.djenivas."?=A0 = But if you wanted two sentences, the second one is=A0simply ".i lo se = go'i=A0se cmene=A0=A0zo .bernerd. fa'u zo.djenivas" (or "= ra" rather than "lo se go'i", which is even one syllable= shorter than roda, and means what you want instead of "everything&quo= t;)
=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 --gejyspa




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mu'o mi'e .aionys.

.i.a'o.e'e ko cmima le bend= e pe lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o
(Come to the = Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D )

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