From lojban+bncCIycn8S8DhDewJ_rBBoEu4I--g@googlegroups.com Fri Feb 25 09:45:42 2011 Received: from mail-qy0-f189.google.com ([209.85.216.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Pt1jW-000221-By; Fri, 25 Feb 2011 09:45:42 -0800 Received: by qyk36 with SMTP id 36sf5047965qyk.16 for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2011 09:45:31 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results :x-google-group-id:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=Ae+QG3qpuO8faLXXgokT9u6G3w1ca/mNwdt8UtT3An8=; b=MLmskA1+bF81WtKSXl/J8BqPD1Mhy+gJuflSnRLFeIJqHeWME1qqnb44jQyXZOww8P yHLtqZoAo6tlimw0/ESpNHFo0L+PLhocETasNRkGB8aJSs7IAodKscrDRyWSNVUd0cpN GmzJcsSrHPRo4bMcx4ZiXfxSI7vuxjUWkASs4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:x-google-group-id:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=jiBFuDLCRJeJEe8hlXSiv4+T+iupP832aYrW9toageZaqHr3b4YmvE3QUNTYvF5N9k mqH4tSzjgoHkpw5j3Cev0P93ZsPVwY0NCcGsk/tcCGWUoDmW1P67R1gr0fk8F1O84WRU v3Usq9q6M59h/VfWe+jm2tYVNpAPnORAJEqxU= Received: by 10.224.60.73 with SMTP id o9mr145595qah.54.1298653278576; Fri, 25 Feb 2011 09:01:18 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.224.196.195 with SMTP id eh3ls373012qab.1.p; Fri, 25 Feb 2011 09:01:17 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.224.61.11 with SMTP id r11mr270622qah.15.1298653277820; Fri, 25 Feb 2011 09:01:17 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.224.61.11 with SMTP id r11mr270621qah.15.1298653277800; Fri, 25 Feb 2011 09:01:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-qy0-f172.google.com (mail-qy0-f172.google.com [209.85.216.172]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id o8si192211qcu.2.2011.02.25.09.01.17 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 25 Feb 2011 09:01:17 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of mturniansky@gmail.com designates 209.85.216.172 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.216.172; Received: by qyk29 with SMTP id 29so516203qyk.10 for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2011 09:01:17 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.229.88.207 with SMTP id b15mr2114536qcm.34.1298653277466; Fri, 25 Feb 2011 09:01:17 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.229.222.15 with HTTP; Fri, 25 Feb 2011 09:01:17 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <12056049.313.1298617316637.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@prof15> <00504502d34a992077049d168774@google.com> Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2011 12:01:17 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: Re: [lojban-beginners] Question about {roda} From: Michael Turniansky To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: mturniansky@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of mturniansky@gmail.com designates 209.85.216.172 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=mturniansky@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com X-Google-Group-Id: -888834847 Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016367f997e4a4467049d1e471e --0016367f997e4a4467049d1e471e Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 11:13 AM, Jonathan Jones wrote: > > > > I could say > > {mi gaukla to ko'a gasnu lonu ko'e klama kei toi re gerku fu le cerni > snodzu to nu masno cadzu toi .i roda poi gerku me ra pe mi ku'o cmene > la.bernerd. fa'u la.djenivas.}, but that's really freaking long and takes > forever for me to express and everyone else to comprehend. So, instead, I'd > probably say something more like this: > > {mi gaukla re gerku fu le cerni snodzu .i roda cu cmene la.bernerd. fa'u > la.djenivas.} > > and leave it to context to determine what makes sense for {roda poi zo'e}. > It took me a while to understand what you were trying to say, but then I realized you meant "klagau", not "gaukla", and it all became clear (and you also wanted. Although what you are actully saying in that second sentence is that the two of them are each named everything (you probably meant to say "roda se cmene zo bernerd. fau ze djenivas" (the X1 of cmene is the name, and it's in the form of a string, not "la___" which is the actual thing named ____. But why even go through all that verbiage, when you could simply say, "mi klagau re gerku poi se cmene zo .bernerd. fa'u zo.djenivas."? But if you wanted two sentences, the second one is simply ".i lo se go'i se cmene zo .bernerd. fa'u zo.djenivas" (or "ra" rather than "lo se go'i", which is even one syllable shorter than roda, and means what you want instead of "everything") --gejyspa -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. --0016367f997e4a4467049d1e471e Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 11:13 AM, Jonathan Jones= <eyeonus@gmail.c= om> wrote:



I could say

{mi gaukla to ko'a gas= nu lonu ko'e klama kei toi re gerku fu le cerni snodzu to nu masno cadz= u toi .i roda poi gerku me ra pe mi ku'o cmene la.bernerd. fa'u la.= djenivas.}, but that's really freaking long and takes forever for me to= express and everyone else to comprehend. So, instead, I'd probably say= something more like this:

{mi gaukla re gerku fu le cerni snodzu .i roda cu cmene la.bernerd. fa&= #39;u la.djenivas.}

and leave it to context to determine what makes = sense for {roda poi zo'e}.
=A0
=A0 It took me a while to understand what you were trying to say, but = then I realized you meant "klagau", not "gaukla", and i= t all became clear (and you also wanted.=A0 Although what you are actully s= aying in that second sentence is that the two of them are each=A0named ever= ything (you probably meant to say "roda se cmene zo bernerd. fau ze dj= enivas" (the=A0X1 of cmene is the=A0name, and it's in the form of = a string, not "la___" which is=A0the actual thing named ____.=A0= =A0 But why even go through all that verbiage, when you could simply say, &= quot;mi klagau re gerku poi se=A0cmene zo .bernerd. fa'u zo.djenivas.&q= uot;?=A0 But if you wanted two sentences, the second one is=A0simply "= .i lo se go'i=A0se cmene=A0=A0zo .bernerd. fa'u zo.djenivas" (= or "ra" rather than "lo se go'i", which is even one= syllable shorter than roda, and means what you want instead of "every= thing")
=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 --gejyspa
=A0

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