From lojban+bncCOib25n_BhDkwKvqBBoEM5Un-w@googlegroups.com Thu Feb 03 09:05:57 2011 Received: from mail-yi0-f61.google.com ([209.85.218.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Pl2cy-0001Of-Fi; Thu, 03 Feb 2011 09:05:57 -0800 Received: by yia27 with SMTP id 27sf941848yia.16 for ; Thu, 03 Feb 2011 09:05:46 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=7XILyO1blXzP+VYu0UaFXamTcvxi9u9CyxCNcvTfS6c=; b=vSLYon9/ww4OB4PTT91N9rUffFFAOkrTDmQ+HinAd5/k2PUnqRXstx1cd+fnIft9wA PiZyFXhQVAaijCc/qCwZ1SKFiF0cOtHdfWAgGkNKei3pN3n/2EGZ3Fv6dqhjuDuK3sP0 KkBSpG/i1+WvjrBN2tq2pSlmhYsnjokLNpZtc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=vm2d5XjM8X/26A9udFhEqYZfdptP2eCVcDFXW/GBCAgY84POgpHcsxhG+7oH6Jez7Z gAZkRhUjTjTQ3UnE2Fys0mITT2PjijNVCK+cn3nf4qcwlevPHzvq/dwj5lCf+pIWKs4y ckpZic5t8XfL2jkiO2JgVTK7oZUc2brcBjCvE= Received: by 10.146.84.11 with SMTP id h11mr10025yab.18.1296752740507; Thu, 03 Feb 2011 09:05:40 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.231.76.165 with SMTP id c37ls1901210ibk.3.p; Thu, 03 Feb 2011 09:05:39 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.42.175.3 with SMTP id ay3mr1524879icb.35.1296752739833; Thu, 03 Feb 2011 09:05:39 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.42.175.3 with SMTP id ay3mr1524878icb.35.1296752739812; Thu, 03 Feb 2011 09:05:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-iy0-f181.google.com (mail-iy0-f181.google.com [209.85.210.181]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id gf5si176962icb.6.2011.02.03.09.05.38 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 03 Feb 2011 09:05:38 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of rpglover64@gmail.com designates 209.85.210.181 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.210.181; Received: by mail-iy0-f181.google.com with SMTP id 18so1396617iyj.26 for ; Thu, 03 Feb 2011 09:05:38 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.42.221.133 with SMTP id ic5mr12977737icb.212.1296752738635; Thu, 03 Feb 2011 09:05:38 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.42.166.202 with HTTP; Thu, 3 Feb 2011 09:05:38 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20110203162210.GB56439@alice.local> References: <9167227.622.1296721774635.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@przz17> <20110203162210.GB56439@alice.local> Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2011 12:05:38 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: Idea: Levels From: Alex Rozenshteyn To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: rpglover64@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of rpglover64@gmail.com designates 209.85.210.181 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=rpglover64@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=20cf30549e5b591146049b63c6ef --20cf30549e5b591146049b63c6ef Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I just skimmed the ACTFL guidelines. They seem too nebulous and imprecise to be used on their own. They could serve as guidelines for creating the levels, but given that I can't imagine it taking more than a week (at about 5-10 minutes a day) of glancing at dictionary definitions of relevant words to get to the novice-high level, I feel some adjustments would need to be made. On Thu, Feb 3, 2011 at 11:22 AM, .alyn.post. wrote: > Where are you Keys? uses the ACTFL Proficiency Guidelines[1], which > has 9 grades. They ported this proficiency scale to use the > terminology of the game: > > > http://whereareyourkeys.files.wordpress.com/2010/11/wayk-proficiency-scale.pdf > > -Alan > > 1: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ACTFL_Proficiency_Guidelines > > On Thu, Feb 03, 2011 at 10:58:20AM -0500, Alex Rozenshteyn wrote: > > I feel like 6 levels is too few, unless there are sublevels within > each > > level. > > > > Also, if we're treating this like a game, it may pay to think up fun > > achievements. e.g. ask a question on irc, answer a question on irc, > start > > an argument on irc. > > > > On Thu, Feb 3, 2011 at 3:29 AM, Lindar <[1]lindarthebard@yahoo.com> > wrote: > > > > I think this is a brilliant idea, and definitely ties into > previously > > mentioned ideas regarding having 'levels' like an RPG. The obvious > > reward is saying that you're a level X Lojbanist so you can read > level X > > text. I think this would be a fascinating project. I would say six > tiers > > would be a good amount, and each tier should have a vocabulary list > with > > certain selma'o in each one. By tier 3 the speaker should stop using > > English names (like 'terminator') and use Lojban grammar names (like > > {fa'orma'o}). > > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > > Groups "lojban" group. > > To post to this group, send email to [2]lojban@googlegroups.com. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > [3]lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com > . > > For more options, visit this group at > > [4]http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. > > > > -- > > Alex R > > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups > > "lojban" group. > > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com > . > > For more options, visit this group at > > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. > > > > References > > > > Visible links > > 1. mailto:lindarthebard@yahoo.com > > 2. mailto:lojban@googlegroups.com > > 3. mailto:lojban%2Bunsubscribe@googlegroups.com > > 4. http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en > > -- > .i ko djuno fi le do sevzi > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. > > -- Alex R -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. --20cf30549e5b591146049b63c6ef Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I just skimmed the ACTFL guidelines.

They seem too nebulous and impr= ecise to be used on their own.=A0 They could serve as guidelines for creati= ng the levels, but given that I can't imagine it taking more than a wee= k (at about 5-10 minutes a day) of glancing at dictionary definitions of re= levant words to get to the novice-high level, I feel some adjustments would= need to be made.

On Thu, Feb 3, 2011 at 11:22 AM, .alyn.post.= <al= yn.post@lodockikumazvati.org> wrote:
Where are you Keys? uses the ACTFL Proficiency Guidelines[1], which
has 9 grades. =A0They ported this proficiency scale to use the
terminology of the game:

=A0http://whereareyourkeys.files.wordpre= ss.com/2010/11/wayk-proficiency-scale.pdf

-Alan

1: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ACTFL_Proficiency_Guidelines

On Thu, Feb 03, 2011 at 10:58:20AM -0500, Alex Rozenshteyn wrote:
> =A0 =A0I feel like 6 levels is too few, unless there are sublevels wit= hin each
> =A0 =A0level.
>
> =A0 =A0Also, if we're treating this like a game, it may pay to thi= nk up fun
> =A0 =A0achievements. e.g. ask a question on irc, answer a question on = irc, start
> =A0 =A0an argument on irc.
>
> =A0 =A0On Thu, Feb 3, 2011 at 3:29 AM, Lindar = <[1]lindarthebard@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> =A0 =A0 =A0I think this is a brilliant idea, and definitely ties into = previously
> =A0 =A0 =A0mentioned ideas regarding having 'levels' like an R= PG. The obvious
> =A0 =A0 =A0reward is saying that you're a level X Lojbanist so you= can read level X
> =A0 =A0 =A0text. I think this would be a fascinating project. I would = say six tiers
> =A0 =A0 =A0would be a good amount, and each tier should have a vocabul= ary list with
> =A0 =A0 =A0certain selma'o in each one. By tier 3 the speaker shou= ld stop using
> =A0 =A0 =A0English names (like 'terminator') and use Lojban gr= ammar names (like
> =A0 =A0 =A0{fa'orma'o}).
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