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To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: Idea: Levels Message-ID: <20110203171000.GC56439@alice.local> Mail-Followup-To: lojban@googlegroups.com References: <9167227.622.1296721774635.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@przz17> <20110203162210.GB56439@alice.local> Mime-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: X-Original-Sender: alyn.post@lodockikumazvati.org X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 74.125.83.52 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of alanpost@sunflowerriver.org) smtp.mail=alanpost@sunflowerriver.org Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline If you want to do more than skim, here are the speaking and writing guidelines: http://www.actfl.org/i4a/pages/index.cfm?pageid=3349 http://www.actfl.org/i4a/pages/index.cfm?pageid=3326 It is probably still too nebulous and imprecise, though I claim it is precisely 16 pages minus one promise better than what we have so far. -Alan On Thu, Feb 03, 2011 at 12:05:38PM -0500, Alex Rozenshteyn wrote: > I just skimmed the ACTFL guidelines. > > They seem too nebulous and imprecise to be used on their own. They could > serve as guidelines for creating the levels, but given that I can't > imagine it taking more than a week (at about 5-10 minutes a day) of > glancing at dictionary definitions of relevant words to get to the > novice-high level, I feel some adjustments would need to be made. > > On Thu, Feb 3, 2011 at 11:22 AM, .alyn.post. > <[1]alyn.post@lodockikumazvati.org> wrote: > > Where are you Keys? uses the ACTFL Proficiency Guidelines[1], which > has 9 grades. They ported this proficiency scale to use the > terminology of the game: > > [2]http://whereareyourkeys.files.wordpress.com/2010/11/wayk-proficiency-scale.pdf > > -Alan > > 1: [3]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ACTFL_Proficiency_Guidelines > On Thu, Feb 03, 2011 at 10:58:20AM -0500, Alex Rozenshteyn wrote: > > I feel like 6 levels is too few, unless there are sublevels within > each > > level. > > > > Also, if we're treating this like a game, it may pay to think up fun > > achievements. e.g. ask a question on irc, answer a question on irc, > start > > an argument on irc. > > > > On Thu, Feb 3, 2011 at 3:29 AM, Lindar <[1][4]lindarthebard@yahoo.com> > wrote: > > > > I think this is a brilliant idea, and definitely ties into previously > > mentioned ideas regarding having 'levels' like an RPG. The obvious > > reward is saying that you're a level X Lojbanist so you can read level > X > > text. I think this would be a fascinating project. I would say six > tiers > > would be a good amount, and each tier should have a vocabulary list > with > > certain selma'o in each one. By tier 3 the speaker should stop using > > English names (like 'terminator') and use Lojban grammar names (like > > {fa'orma'o}). > > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > > Groups "lojban" group. > > To post to this group, send email to [2][5]lojban@googlegroups.com. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > [3][6]lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > > For more options, visit this group at > > [4][7]http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. > > > > -- > > Alex R > > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups > > "lojban" group. > > To post to this group, send email to [8]lojban@googlegroups.com. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > [9]lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > > For more options, visit this group at > > [10]http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. > > > > References > > > > Visible links > > 1. mailto:[11]lindarthebard@yahoo.com > > 2. mailto:[12]lojban@googlegroups.com > > 3. mailto:[13]lojban%2Bunsubscribe@googlegroups.com > > 4. 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