From lojban+bncCOjSjrXVGBCK4qvqBBoEFgTuAw@googlegroups.com Thu Feb 03 10:17:03 2011 Received: from mail-yx0-f189.google.com ([209.85.213.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Pl3ji-0000v2-V9; Thu, 03 Feb 2011 10:17:03 -0800 Received: by yxn35 with SMTP id 35sf968278yxn.16 for ; Thu, 03 Feb 2011 10:16:48 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=24rwGZK/k+iZrEOTtvEQW2Oz+qMNq1kV72VeJ3FP7bk=; b=s2OVGNZl2I1y8txxm+x3D1LSRNqw+kjsTzk4B97VmFK7uy2HVgVmLc1GVZhlKSrutH al43psR8iRLP3SKZI+jhYo5Zh+w3hxRV0XtCc6xj9Zr4La2vfl/ULvHZtsb+3TOOaKxt 9Qb2ecIbbISlNH7tKE520wizbx69NPfB7qHg0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=K84OvN8PTXMrGW7kkP0qYn2QkvUjfoqKiWqQUr3zuJNLFf4d6n6Itq05pLnVoLYCrY dvG8j94vhvfxXTIFtZvt/vbMeq7GfZey0KYl7TiMEy5vCkarZcuPceRpBLRgzsPESf9X qNH/UdP1p3AuKIrsvYLMqIljdXQXIpPbSNrFo= Received: by 10.90.120.14 with SMTP id s14mr145901agc.16.1296757002482; Thu, 03 Feb 2011 10:16:42 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.231.2.82 with SMTP id 18ls1967634ibi.2.p; Thu, 03 Feb 2011 10:16:41 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.231.208.4 with SMTP id ga4mr5092049ibb.11.1296757001173; Thu, 03 Feb 2011 10:16:41 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.231.208.4 with SMTP id ga4mr5092047ibb.11.1296757001144; Thu, 03 Feb 2011 10:16:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-iw0-f180.google.com (mail-iw0-f180.google.com [209.85.214.180]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id cu19si229272ibb.5.2011.02.03.10.16.40 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 03 Feb 2011 10:16:40 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of lukeabergen@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.180 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.214.180; Received: by mail-iw0-f180.google.com with SMTP id 37so2112322iwn.25 for ; Thu, 03 Feb 2011 10:16:40 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.231.160.80 with SMTP id m16mr11966423ibx.106.1296756998528; Thu, 03 Feb 2011 10:16:38 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.231.200.194 with HTTP; Thu, 3 Feb 2011 10:16:38 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <201102031236.37874.phma@phma.optus.nu> References: <20110203171000.GC56439@alice.local> <201102031236.37874.phma@phma.optus.nu> Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2011 13:16:38 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: Idea: Levels From: Luke Bergen To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: lukeabergen@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of lukeabergen@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.180 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=lukeabergen@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=00504501662741e6ce049b64c466 --00504501662741e6ce049b64c466 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 what's the LBCK list? On Thu, Feb 3, 2011 at 12:36 PM, Pierre Abbat wrote: > On Thursday 03 February 2011 12:10:00 .alyn.post. wrote: > > If you want to do more than skim, here are the speaking and writing > > guidelines: > > > > http://www.actfl.org/i4a/pages/index.cfm?pageid=3349 > > http://www.actfl.org/i4a/pages/index.cfm?pageid=3326 > > > > It is probably still too nebulous and imprecise, though I claim it > > is precisely 16 pages minus one promise better than what we have > > so far. > > The speaking guidelines refer to interactions with native speakers, but as > we > don't have a lot of native speakers, that's hard to apply. The guidelines, > being written for a wide variety of languages, don't say what the > low-frequency structures and complex high-frequency structures are. > Perhaps, > for example, if there were a body of native speakers, the phrase "setese" > would almost never occur in speech, except in the sentence "mi setese cusku > naja catra .ei do" (If I tell you, I have to kill you). > > Should discussion of levels of proficiency be moved to the LBCK list? > > Pierre > > -- > Jews use a lunisolar calendar; Muslims use a solely lunar calendar. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. --00504501662741e6ce049b64c466 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable what's the LBCK list?

On Thu, Feb 3, = 2011 at 12:36 PM, Pierre Abbat <phma@phma.optus.nu> wrote:
On Thursday 03 February 2011 12:10:00 .alyn.post. wrote:<= br> > If you want to do more than skim, here are the speaking and writing > guidelines:
>
> =A0 http://www.actfl.org/i4a/pages/index.cfm?pageid=3D3349
> =A0 http://www.actfl.org/i4a/pages/index.cfm?pageid=3D3326
>
> It is probably still too nebulous and imprecise, though I claim it
> is precisely 16 pages minus one promise better than what we have
> so far.

The speaking guidelines refer to interactions with native speakers, b= ut as we
don't have a lot of native speakers, that's hard to apply. The guid= elines,
being written for a wide variety of languages, don't say what the
low-frequency structures and complex high-frequency structures are. Perhaps= ,
for example, if there were a body of native speakers, the phrase "sete= se"
would almost never occur in speech, except in the sentence "mi setese = cusku
naja catra .ei do" (If I tell you, I have to kill you).

Should discussion of levels of proficiency be moved to the LBCK list?

Pierre

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