From lojban+bncCIPo5fbjAhDV4aDqBBoEpmODgQ@googlegroups.com Tue Feb 01 08:12:25 2011 Received: from mail-gx0-f189.google.com ([209.85.161.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PkIq2-0005jI-W7; Tue, 01 Feb 2011 08:12:25 -0800 Received: by gxk19 with SMTP id 19sf4626659gxk.16 for ; Tue, 01 Feb 2011 08:12:12 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:sender :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=cgCE/eq15q795dOktx4OClaNm8rHat5q0sCj2HirIZ0=; b=BEZGwDsdwA9BnhyTlwJ5XNVlQ9bLGmbilS3KYKYBXu5O9L+n7LPzLCgHHXpMckxE1L M6m2m+dShNR1O8bLuNEaDRQQMbdbIf52MA2bztDphHbWME02C0qxqruUNsrO55ujY3nA ziHGRdSlQkcnrrNJvc6KZCct4Tul1ESdfMxYQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=erth4E2FAc2Pf1mTu0w3acH2omQ4gP17PajMslIZW5F2F5gY7HN/uiVupHv6HgsBcE nzoWLJYyAMvYNnltKRfmtiYYMaFcd4IWkXc+45xyx+qWkwANfVcAiTcyVf3wbgkOfgWG yM6gQ4lrTG8CZIu0BhSymn72mkSE2zdmwDs2k= Received: by 10.100.141.20 with SMTP id o20mr270012and.65.1296576725840; Tue, 01 Feb 2011 08:12:05 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.151.17.13 with SMTP id u13ls3422636ybi.1.p; Tue, 01 Feb 2011 08:12:03 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.150.202.21 with SMTP id z21mr3215168ybf.31.1296576723666; Tue, 01 Feb 2011 08:12:03 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.150.199.19 with SMTP id w19mr963813ybf.4.1296563599109; Tue, 01 Feb 2011 04:33:19 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.150.199.19 with SMTP id w19mr963811ybf.4.1296563599073; Tue, 01 Feb 2011 04:33:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-gx0-f180.google.com (mail-gx0-f180.google.com [209.85.161.180]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id u22si3335759yba.7.2011.02.01.04.33.18 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 01 Feb 2011 04:33:18 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of cyril.slobin@gmail.com designates 209.85.161.180 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.161.180; Received: by gxk19 with SMTP id 19so2421302gxk.39 for ; Tue, 01 Feb 2011 04:33:18 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.150.200.21 with SMTP id x21mr9593995ybf.298.1296563597590; Tue, 01 Feb 2011 04:33:17 -0800 (PST) Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.151.111.20 with HTTP; Tue, 1 Feb 2011 04:33:17 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2011 15:33:17 +0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Lojban to TLI Loglan From: Cyril Slobin To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: cyrilslobin@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of cyril.slobin@gmail.com designates 209.85.161.180 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=cyril.slobin@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable 2011/1/30 Jorge Llamb=EDas : > My Loglan dictionary has "gacpi" for Lojban "gleki", and "claso" for > Lojban "claxu" (and "nirve" for "kunti"). Are "hapci" and "clesi" > typos or are they modern variants? I haven't studied the Loglan history in deep, and don't know much of it's elder versions. All Logli, who are meeting regularly in SL (typically three or four -- not a very large community), are using LOD (in Java or HTML form), which has "hapci" and "clesi" (and not "gacpi" and "claso"). Both versions are downloadable from loglan.org site. As far as I know, there is no primitive word for {kunti}, and the compound word "nirveo" ("zero contain") lacks the {se kunti} place (empty of which material?). I have done my best replacing it with "clesi". I agree this lacks some important feeling of your original haiku. Sorry. --=20 http://slobin.pp.ru/ `When I use a word,' Humpty Dumpty said, `it means just what I choose it to mean' --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den.