From lojban+bncCLr6ktCfBBD6l63qBBoEEhP8xQ@googlegroups.com Thu Feb 03 16:44:58 2011 Received: from mail-yw0-f61.google.com ([209.85.213.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Pl9nC-0007tt-OD; Thu, 03 Feb 2011 16:44:58 -0800 Received: by ywh1 with SMTP id 1sf1153079ywh.16 for ; Thu, 03 Feb 2011 16:44:48 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:x-beenthere:received-spf:date:from:to:subject :message-id:mail-followup-to:mime-version:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-disposition; bh=SNBHRK/QUmY8/yUqtVOR8LSe8AO3A5MNIyEfQTkprC8=; b=rMpvbr10WkudbfnhI54vpqLmDPRxuczXwDJWyVcyVMCsjWIyGH77KhOaLEvPvtdihK hBcMLaCNE1iGMf67AlCxQ3ndO+t7EMtkbQtAZkSxE057jXfvr6hVU7jiujTJtuHcel2I F4GTA3HXoNIrOj3Mnrj4dXHv6eA3x4E2+ivTo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:date:from:to:subject:message-id :mail-followup-to:mime-version:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-disposition; b=wXRlBzn19NPNf4hNcJrvjz3DfuyyKbsEpzf/YAgaPjyByUhNX0DPC86b0s6ga0UlgK N7PSUdHOaQQraiEFzBAVe2Rn4I3rkRJecGiY3cJzvt0lXAsFtZezZdZsQaPOhYcGW63E 7pBoORosLztv01iZj/ppjVppvqt3iIB6YOnBM= Received: by 10.90.26.3 with SMTP id 3mr542348agz.40.1296780282291; Thu, 03 Feb 2011 16:44:42 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.100.239.3 with SMTP id m3ls463477anh.0.p; Thu, 03 Feb 2011 16:44:41 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.100.123.7 with SMTP id v7mr3034719anc.45.1296780281753; Thu, 03 Feb 2011 16:44:41 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.100.123.7 with SMTP id v7mr3034718anc.45.1296780281740; Thu, 03 Feb 2011 16:44:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-gw0-f50.google.com (mail-gw0-f50.google.com [74.125.83.50]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id c13si50689anc.7.2011.02.03.16.44.41 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 03 Feb 2011 16:44:41 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 74.125.83.50 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of alanpost@sunflowerriver.org) client-ip=74.125.83.50; Received: by mail-gw0-f50.google.com with SMTP id a20so793250gwa.23 for ; Thu, 03 Feb 2011 16:44:41 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.90.10.34 with SMTP id 34mr14649122agj.157.1296780280565; Thu, 03 Feb 2011 16:44:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from sunflowerriver.org (c-68-35-165-60.hsd1.nm.comcast.net [68.35.165.60]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id c7sm160623ana.37.2011.02.03.16.44.38 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 03 Feb 2011 16:44:39 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2011 17:44:34 -0700 From: ".alyn.post." To: Lojban List Subject: [lojban] SA errors in camxes Message-ID: <20110204004434.GE56439@alice.local> Mail-Followup-To: Lojban List Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Original-Sender: alyn.post@lodockikumazvati.org X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 74.125.83.50 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of alanpost@sunflowerriver.org) smtp.mail=alanpost@sunflowerriver.org Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline I've begun testing SA handling in camxes, and it doesn't match Magic Words[1], not by a lot. I'm wondering if I'm seeing a change of *intention* with regard to handling SA. Simple cases work: mi sa do ponse => do ponse mi ponse sa do => do .i broda sa brode => .i brode .i broda sa .i brode => .i brode ; I'm particularly happy this one works ; broda ba'e mi sa ba'e do => broda ba'e do But even moderately complex ones don't: mi ponse lo grana sa do => mi ponse do (I expect |do|) mi zoi .gy. foo .gy. sa do => mi do (I expect |do|) mi zoi .gy. sa do => mi (I expect: |parse error|, or |do|) broda lo brode sa .i brodi => broda lo brode (I expect |brodi|) Not to mention pathological cases: mi lo sa do => mi do (I expect |parse error| or |do|) mi lo lo lo lo lo sa do => mi (I expect |parse error| or |do|) My questions: * Are the cases I point about above errors in camxes? Is "Magic Words" the most authoritative description of SA or did that change and camxes is doing something it should be? * do the words |...| in |selma'o ... si selma'o| need to be grammatical by themselves? Or just lojbanic words? What about non-lojbanic words? These examples are all sort of uniform, I haven't put together a rigorous test suite yet. -Alan 1: http://lojban.org/tiki/Magic+Words -- .i ko djuno fi le do sevzi -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en.