From lojban+bncCOib25n_BhCF2LTqBBoEKHFzxQ@googlegroups.com Sat Feb 05 02:53:10 2011 Received: from mail-yi0-f61.google.com ([209.85.218.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PlflJ-0007tP-G2; Sat, 05 Feb 2011 02:53:10 -0800 Received: by yia27 with SMTP id 27sf2088929yia.16 for ; Sat, 05 Feb 2011 02:52:59 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=DMG5OBhbeC6du6AnWyJrKeyTkcl4rZ24ytkpXyLIk5c=; b=vsxqJV/SGAckX9X+lK00EJxoKu3DyN8ylYGdb0vkJulCSSdEeO9kY7RGNM8zChrhMG aamLnR/Bk4yXQoPoOUt57f94ed3tnXAWtTgXL4v6lG2m66F4pwiDFxU81/NT9tqBDwwS 3Rji4Rkn7aXCb0I08gN1RG/7aJUIYPMDnAh6M= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=oOe4I7iuE+ESI86quXSBCVPnMVMF0XkdTHzSVslPQxyn4P0oDcPNSoBEtp8jL2RneB tcXvJfaA9e4bUG49s0QbPwYBpxfM9kwYtU4KiAv7566QlAYBYR/vLFibRoRjLhS3b2f3 p29jtkGBmlO9OPaVdI6vf/0PJVLLhNFDamSr8= Received: by 10.147.170.13 with SMTP id x13mr71151yao.4.1296903173298; Sat, 05 Feb 2011 02:52:53 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.231.57.97 with SMTP id b33ls1408456ibh.0.p; Sat, 05 Feb 2011 02:52:52 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.42.224.197 with SMTP id ip5mr264182icb.66.1296903172300; Sat, 05 Feb 2011 02:52:52 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.42.224.197 with SMTP id ip5mr264181icb.66.1296903172275; Sat, 05 Feb 2011 02:52:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-iw0-f169.google.com (mail-iw0-f169.google.com [209.85.214.169]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id jo1si258438icb.5.2011.02.05.02.52.51 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 05 Feb 2011 02:52:51 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of rpglover64@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.169 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.214.169; Received: by mail-iw0-f169.google.com with SMTP id 10so3092152iwc.14 for ; Sat, 05 Feb 2011 02:52:51 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.42.241.6 with SMTP id lc6mr15520399icb.480.1296903170749; Sat, 05 Feb 2011 02:52:50 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.42.166.202 with HTTP; Sat, 5 Feb 2011 02:52:50 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20110205070102.GI8388@digitalkingdom.org> References: <20110205070102.GI8388@digitalkingdom.org> Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2011 05:52:50 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Error in DAG-CLL? 4.6 From: Alex Rozenshteyn To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: rpglover64@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of rpglover64@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.169 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=rpglover64@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=20cf30564257ccf4c8049b86cc77 --20cf30564257ccf4c8049b86cc77 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 ja'e lo mi cilre ku ko jungau e'o fo lo do krinu be tu'a zo zei I'm proud of myself; that sounds better to me in lojban than the corresponding English would have. I think {krinu} is the right "why", but I'm not sure. Also, how difficult would it be in the parser to give {bu} precedence? I feel wrong claiming that both {.abu} and {xy} are letterals if they don't behave the same way. Just my two cents. On Sat, Feb 5, 2011 at 2:01 AM, Robin Lee Powell < rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org> wrote: > On Fri, Feb 04, 2011 at 08:25:51PM -0500, Alex Rozenshteyn wrote: > > 6.15) na'e zei .a zei na'e zei by. livgyterbilma > > non-A, non-B liver-disease > > non-A, non-B hepatitis > > > > 6.17) na'e zei .a zei na'e zei by. zei livgyterbilma > > non-A-non-B-hepatitis > > > > Shouldn't the {.a}s be {.abu}s? > > Not currently; zei grabs single words. > > http://www.lojban.org/tiki/tiki-index.php?page=Magic+Words > > > It seems to me that {na'e zei .a} refers to a logical connective > > that is not "or". > > I'm inclined to agree, but the lujvo coiner gets to define the > meaning. > > Regardless, {zei} is a really crappy way to do *anything*, so I'm > not inclined to clarify how to do things with it very much. > > -Robin > > -- > http://singinst.org/ : Our last, best hope for a fantastic future. > Lojban (http://www.lojban.org/): The language in which "this parrot > is dead" is "ti poi spitaki cu morsi", but "this sentence is false" > is "na nei". 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I'm proud of myself; that sounds better to me in lojban than th= e corresponding English would have.=A0 I think {krinu} is the right "w= hy", but I'm not sure.

Also, how difficult would it be in the parser to give {bu} precedence?= =A0 I feel wrong claiming that both {.abu} and {xy} are letterals if they d= on't behave the same way.=A0 Just my two cents.

On Sat, Feb 5, 2011 at 2:01 AM, Robin Lee Powell <rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org&= gt; wrote:
On Fri, Feb 04, 2011 at 08:25:51PM -0500, Alex Rozenshtey= n wrote:
> 6.15) =A0na'e zei .a zei na'e zei by. livgyterbilma
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0non-A, non-B liver-disease
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0non-A, non-B hepatitis
>
> 6.17) =A0na'e zei .a zei na'e zei by. zei livgyterbilma
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0non-A-non-B-hepatitis
>
> Shouldn't the {.a}s be {.abu}s?

Not currently; zei grabs single words.

http://www.lojban.org/tiki/tiki-index.php?page=3DMagic+Word= s

> It seems to me that {na'e zei .a} refers to a logical connective > that is not "or".

I'm inclined to agree, but the lujvo coiner gets to define the meaning.

Regardless, {zei} is a really crappy way to do *anything*, so I'm
not inclined to clarify how to do things with it very much.

-Robin

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Lojban (http://www.loj= ban.org/): The language in which "this parrot
is dead" is "ti poi spitaki cu morsi", but "this senten= ce is false"
is "na nei". =A0 My personal page: http://www.digitalkingdom.org/rlp/

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