From lojban+bncCIywt_XDCRDz56DqBBoEUbsCMQ@googlegroups.com Tue Feb 01 08:25:40 2011 Received: from mail-yx0-f189.google.com ([209.85.213.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PkJ2t-0008Ic-0W; Tue, 01 Feb 2011 08:25:40 -0800 Received: by yxn35 with SMTP id 35sf4543398yxn.16 for ; Tue, 01 Feb 2011 08:25:29 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:x-beenthere:received-spf:message-id:x-ymail-osg :x-mailer:references:date:from:subject:to:in-reply-to:mime-version :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=Ogho7RlfmhY5l3Cv4fOoLYayw1EQ5iJ/9FS+Sn977C0=; b=e2tS4bexLrYMFGGUvBuo2knzpOF9lnGkIAJGQenp7h2vFDbVmPXy58pOM7urKk7l8r t1+12Ehq4yzxo2R4H8+fZlrC8Ka3VWJJon9NjVH7Jbt3G8c+witjikBuv9LjAv6lEJl2 QMfrTbglYFwUQhEsbtdGsdCr2NnqgTHVI5cdo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:message-id:x-ymail-osg:x-mailer:references :date:from:subject:to:in-reply-to:mime-version:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=Ks0jyc2v2dtfprpqCk6OL7oEonVF5mEY3pFmdTDKYcCovr9MFu2CNFiR79oivaMCkM dZohce+KOrd6EyYnEXvCRx8XmdCRhtgZH+hbpeO6PRmik3mPUxtrftj3pDrWbStr4mFT spYqt05+IUIHQg/C8y1cLi5zT3bo02S7bn1K4= Received: by 10.151.9.17 with SMTP id m17mr801157ybi.14.1296577523948; Tue, 01 Feb 2011 08:25:23 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.150.111.2 with SMTP id j2ls3430001ybc.0.p; Tue, 01 Feb 2011 08:25:23 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.151.27.11 with SMTP id e11mr505736ybj.14.1296577523193; Tue, 01 Feb 2011 08:25:23 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.151.27.11 with SMTP id e11mr505735ybj.14.1296577523159; Tue, 01 Feb 2011 08:25:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from web81307.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web81307.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.199.123]) by gmr-mx.google.com with SMTP id u22si3373074yba.15.2011.02.01.08.25.22; Tue, 01 Feb 2011 08:25:22 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of kali9putra@yahoo.com designates 68.142.199.123 as permitted sender) client-ip=68.142.199.123; Received: (qmail 92582 invoked by uid 60001); 1 Feb 2011 16:25:21 -0000 Message-ID: <745274.92351.qm@web81307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: pVDVOn8VM1mQ8yvNdw.aPEI1iR4xnehLo20QEkn1L9maeWJ ERInAdZsWhU5IrcrAYQQi.F6zziGgTioaPKIa5c9TWazaGI_9F0gydEQD.se L0NDNts1WXBxcg5AUb_TBIskXBGjcPRN7UBPEPOa_leNojWRuLfdbZmjh3U4 UMDTNySKWwA5mp1FcAxAtFwXw5O8abAF9UbscC_odU6S5VqcAFSKeYJx7hMZ KlwNUXG7mi57qttVFyIndl8fGuywPrlhhqUriRClQTzxdnVfkm8rrI0D.NpZ yBq1zLmEiUSn01YftDYh0KdWGKkJmBAO9OuqApBeFVaYgE.ILlesl1.V5bD4 yVaDRzTQ- Received: from [99.92.110.13] by web81307.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 01 Feb 2011 08:25:21 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/555 YahooMailWebService/0.8.107.285259 References: Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2011 08:25:21 -0800 (PST) From: John E Clifford Subject: Re: [lojban] Lojban to TLI Loglan To: lojban@googlegroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Original-Sender: kali9putra@yahoo.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of kali9putra@yahoo.com designates 68.142.199.123 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=kali9putra@yahoo.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@yahoo.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Nice to hear that Loglan is not just an historical entity. Is SL Second Li= fe? ----- Original Message ---- From: Cyril Slobin To: lojban@googlegroups.com Sent: Tue, February 1, 2011 6:33:17 AM Subject: Re: [lojban] Lojban to TLI Loglan 2011/1/30 Jorge Llamb=EDas : > My Loglan dictionary has "gacpi" for Lojban "gleki", and "claso" for > Lojban "claxu" (and "nirve" for "kunti"). Are "hapci" and "clesi" > typos or are they modern variants? I haven't studied the Loglan history in deep, and don't know much of it's elder versions. All Logli, who are meeting regularly in SL (typically three or four -- not a very large community), are using LOD (in Java or HTML form), which has "hapci" and "clesi" (and not "gacpi" and "claso"). Both versions are downloadable from loglan.org site. As far as I know, there is no primitive word for {kunti}, and the compound word "nirveo" ("zero contain") lacks the {se kunti} place (empty of which material?). I have done my best replacing it with "clesi". I agree this lacks some important feeling of your original haiku. 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