From lojban+bncCNTPpI2KGxD__r3qBBoE4m4SNg@googlegroups.com Sun Feb 06 21:13:50 2011 Received: from mail-vw0-f61.google.com ([209.85.212.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PmJQ3-0003YE-5p; Sun, 06 Feb 2011 21:13:50 -0800 Received: by vws1 with SMTP id 1sf2193039vws.16 for ; Sun, 06 Feb 2011 21:13:41 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:x-beenthere:received-spf:x-authority-analysis :x-cloudmark-score:x-originating-ip:from:to:subject:date:user-agent :references:in-reply-to:mime-version:message-id:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-disposition; bh=wGOrELP/FsGhaakJc5on5DwaUUQz1Yv5Afwv3hwf1DY=; b=CPCX45xGLiXJO9dl9/JFssHc9seyQjIZ6ipJsHd4Vm9QK4tZxTWmXBgaV5tMkrDFaU LMzSmmvceMoSpaIbkkzohXuY8xPPH94L3MIoHaLjGhzXHyMwOE97yF6KLl9BMvN4AnLb BXKWlMhNCmlpTCxWbimIVDElxxYhHGnl93i60= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:x-authority-analysis:x-cloudmark-score :x-originating-ip:from:to:subject:date:user-agent:references :in-reply-to:mime-version:message-id:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-disposition; b=vzODDl5mdeYOJ4iB9Ra9/51WacY+u1iXj6fQ96OnEwLBHSaMxpC0qTX5EVgL45tYbw pXDYbaaYv0qOHFQSQq7BDIhItKoxc+dLZpmCrpEgwJUvsHlJKl9plJW1cZGGmXA5iTmH tZ41y+Y28ZZNcgY6vH9wLb//Kl2A/KQHqXPu4= Received: by 10.220.176.66 with SMTP id bd2mr952830vcb.42.1297055615253; Sun, 06 Feb 2011 21:13:35 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.220.89.83 with SMTP id d19ls407830vcm.5.p; Sun, 06 Feb 2011 21:13:34 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.220.201.76 with SMTP id ez12mr4310903vcb.3.1297055614368; Sun, 06 Feb 2011 21:13:34 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.220.201.76 with SMTP id ez12mr4310902vcb.3.1297055614343; Sun, 06 Feb 2011 21:13:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.121]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id t10si471046vcc.11.2011.02.06.21.13.33; Sun, 06 Feb 2011 21:13:33 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 75.180.132.121 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@phma.optus.nu) client-ip=75.180.132.121; X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=Inhw+Jdt7z1D3BivGPfn2aw54OvUEJw5lAn/booRZkE= c=1 sm=0 a=hyqY5TlBaoQA:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=Q9fys5e9bTEA:10 a=9o99xeNKNPYSmM5t9x5+TQ==:17 a=iTAYL5vD4mvLAWaFPqIA:9 a=9tmLCNIw2mYoZY2zQD8A:7 a=NG87891YCOu9pznNa29rhbGm8_cA:4 a=PUjeQqilurYA:10 a=9o99xeNKNPYSmM5t9x5+TQ==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Originating-IP: 75.176.118.168 Received: from [75.176.118.168] ([75.176.118.168:51006] helo=chausie) by cdptpa-oedge04.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id DB/E2-13137-D7F7F4D4; Mon, 07 Feb 2011 05:13:33 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by chausie (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2CFA6295 for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2011 00:13:32 -0500 (EST) From: Pierre Abbat To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] zo .y.bu cmavo lo zo bu jonai zo by xu Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2011 00:13:30 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.6 (enterprise 0.20070907.709405) References: <20110207031019.GB63098@alice.local> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <201102070013.31115.phma@phma.optus.nu> X-Original-Sender: phma@phma.optus.nu X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 75.180.132.121 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@phma.optus.nu) smtp.mail=phma@phma.optus.nu Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline On Sunday 06 February 2011 22:42:54 Ross Ogilvie wrote: > la'e ko'a zo'u tu'a lo mapli cu natfe lo se xusra mapli ki'a? > .i mi na djuno lo du'u makau drani .i pe'i la'e ko'e plixau zmadu > > mu'o mi'e ros. > > The opening of Magic+Words asserts that ybu is BU near the beginning, but > the example given below contradicts that > broda .y. bu = broda + the letter y > > In short, I don't know. Certainly being able to talk about the letter y > easily seems more useful than being allowed to yyyyy in the middle of a bu > construction. Running various combinations through camxes, I find it impossible to quote "y": broda y bu text bridiTail3 |- BRIVLA | gismu: broda |- CMAVO BY |- y |- bu zo y bu lervla text sentence |- ZOPre | |- CMAVO | | ZO: zo | |- CMAVO | BY | |- y | |- bu |- BRIVLA lujvo: lervla zo abu lervla text sentence |- buClauseNoPre | |- ZOPre | | |- CMAVO | | | ZO: zo | | |- CMAVO | | A: a | |- CMAVO | BU: bu |- BRIVLA lujvo: lervla zo y na lervla text sentence |- ZOPre | |- CMAVO | | ZO: zo | |- CMAVO | NA: na |- BRIVLA lujvo: lervla lu y li'u valsi text sentence |- sumti6 | |- CMAVO | | LU: lu | |- CMAVO | LIhU: li'u |- BRIVLA gismu: valsi lo'u y le'u valsi text sentence |- LOhUPre | |- CMAVO | | LOhU: lo'u | |- CMAVO | LEhU: le'u |- BRIVLA gismu: valsi zoi y valsi y valsi text ZOIPre |- CMAVO | ZOI: zoi |- BRIVLA | gismu: valsi |- BRIVLA gismu: valsi zoi gy y gy broda text sentence |- ZOIPre | |- CMAVO | | ZOI: zoi | |- CMAVO | | BY: gy | |- CMAVO | BY: gy |- BRIVLA gismu: broda Pierre -- Don't buy a French car in Holland. 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