From lojban+bncCJ2UzZHuDRDwxb_qBBoEULf1TA@googlegroups.com Mon Feb 07 04:18:11 2011 Received: from mail-wy0-f189.google.com ([74.125.82.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PmQ2d-0007YL-Hh; Mon, 07 Feb 2011 04:18:10 -0800 Received: by wyb35 with SMTP id 35sf4860994wyb.16 for ; Mon, 07 Feb 2011 04:17:57 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=vMwqoXgxl0DsqyD+BAQAqAub1MRPZadnCZxzgMPPwHU=; b=CJXwXO7zc7QfXXPkQ7bjqkmdELokd5ToQDA6zd8nGszHOkgF73wzYw1jUzp+LHrY2U c8/pk1yH/HS+5n0iX/NyEhE2wqFY1GumRdaongBHSwJ8fZdZ0GVCyzTeewXA5uyY2gJo TFicJqwWqNTILJzDY5dWQ1g6ztjN2mE1F/taY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=Zy9PyMVTbPaOGCzlzKoUwfvMnPUp5ro7f+EfAnl2xaIYD3dEhhbpf9Pw7zWP+KnVGb GBgzof/b4y8OQOdKpni76ZUcSx+4+EMJnfm16sE/GiX2bXWxJXSyCCeyAn2D6RXy7OjA AWDcDnnHBSMeFdrWSr2zwFmxwqSLCtuxUxRPw= Received: by 10.216.167.81 with SMTP id h59mr2874954wel.21.1297081072429; Mon, 07 Feb 2011 04:17:52 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.216.63.11 with SMTP id z11ls2257145wec.1.p; Mon, 07 Feb 2011 04:17:51 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.216.159.208 with SMTP id s58mr970210wek.4.1297081071903; Mon, 07 Feb 2011 04:17:51 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.216.159.208 with SMTP id s58mr970209wek.4.1297081071890; Mon, 07 Feb 2011 04:17:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-wy0-f179.google.com (mail-wy0-f179.google.com [74.125.82.179]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id q45si451707weh.8.2011.02.07.04.17.50 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 07 Feb 2011 04:17:50 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 74.125.82.179 as permitted sender) client-ip=74.125.82.179; Received: by mail-wy0-f179.google.com with SMTP id 11so4344495wyi.10 for ; Mon, 07 Feb 2011 04:17:50 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.227.138.82 with SMTP id z18mr1385807wbt.106.1297081070711; Mon, 07 Feb 2011 04:17:50 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.227.54.10 with HTTP; Mon, 7 Feb 2011 04:17:50 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2011 09:17:50 -0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Backcounting + poi From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: jjllambias@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 74.125.82.179 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=jjllambias@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, Feb 6, 2011 at 4:27 PM, Alex Rozenshteyn wro= te: > I understand that {di'u noi glibau} refers to the last utterance and simp= ly > conveys the additional information that it was spoken in English. I would say "di'u noi [ke'a] te glibau", but I suppose you can also get away with "di'u noi glibau [fi ke'a]" since x3 of glibau is the only reasonable place for "di'u". (Assuming "glibau" inherits the place structure of "bangu".) > I wonder, though, about {di'u poi glibau}.=A0 Does it simply refer to the= last > English utterance (useful, but I don't think back-counting rules allow > that)?=A0 Or does it does it logically necessitate that the last utteranc= e > have been in English? I would take it to refer to the English part of the last utterance, which may in some cases reduce to nothing. mu'o mi'e xorxes --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den.