From lojban+bncCLr6ktCfBBDekMHqBBoEfVsdyg@googlegroups.com Mon Feb 07 11:30:54 2011 Received: from mail-yw0-f61.google.com ([209.85.213.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PmWnR-0004po-Mq; Mon, 07 Feb 2011 11:30:53 -0800 Received: by ywh1 with SMTP id 1sf3222723ywh.16 for ; Mon, 07 Feb 2011 11:30:43 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:x-beenthere:received-spf:date:from:to:subject :message-id:mail-followup-to:references:mime-version:in-reply-to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-disposition; bh=PFFmnUHRO5z3endazEqfJnZLttgTbkJa/zzZtH1a22M=; b=BBXw1smj0mNAmHV0JDw/O5MbRP0i56qVyvTnV2qjRHgFHURoVDQwuy2BrApowadpx0 mAw5eEPG4yZMdKDyWUUm/i4NHN9+z52jfPxYhmjFNXW2nMoc4KA3DA0SaFrhongpOQHw squ+8nRoq3wdECMSMlqYYYA+wugLM6D3OUTnM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:date:from:to:subject:message-id :mail-followup-to:references:mime-version:in-reply-to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-disposition; b=Lqm+B816h58ypeeTrgzSO2UcWgReKSHYSoiPgF2YTrv/9plOGmAhWMH2qQz1I1fdH2 AZhQ4mqXVn1S0dFD1EJPySe68GihBPmqmvvjqoZKMSxwEemHJn1q3WSYYK7l3U4q5k6w H5EdKZXuyYhS3k3+TBtFMKlz8Ba6Hm0NIRidA= Received: by 10.100.132.14 with SMTP id f14mr78325and.36.1297107038056; Mon, 07 Feb 2011 11:30:38 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.100.75.33 with SMTP id x33ls1101945ana.4.p; Mon, 07 Feb 2011 11:30:37 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.100.109.12 with SMTP id h12mr4523682anc.36.1297107037472; Mon, 07 Feb 2011 11:30:37 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.100.109.12 with SMTP id h12mr4523681anc.36.1297107037457; Mon, 07 Feb 2011 11:30:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-gw0-f46.google.com (mail-gw0-f46.google.com [74.125.83.46]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id w40si1953574ana.3.2011.02.07.11.30.37 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 07 Feb 2011 11:30:37 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 74.125.83.46 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of alanpost@sunflowerriver.org) client-ip=74.125.83.46; Received: by gwj20 with SMTP id 20so1859959gwj.19 for ; Mon, 07 Feb 2011 11:30:37 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.90.78.12 with SMTP id a12mr19738300agb.38.1297107036865; Mon, 07 Feb 2011 11:30:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from sunflowerriver.org (173-10-243-253-Albuquerque.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [173.10.243.253]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id f10sm5988417anh.5.2011.02.07.11.30.35 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 07 Feb 2011 11:30:35 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2011 12:30:32 -0700 From: ".alyn.post." To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] zo .y.bu cmavo lo zo bu jonai zo by xu Message-ID: <20110207193031.GB64889@alice.local> Mail-Followup-To: lojban@googlegroups.com References: <20110207031019.GB63098@alice.local> <201102070925.33172.phma@phma.optus.nu> <20110207143701.GB64814@86.sub-69-96-208.myvzw.com> <201102071304.45045.phma@phma.optus.nu> Mime-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <201102071304.45045.phma@phma.optus.nu> X-Original-Sender: alyn.post@lodockikumazvati.org X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 74.125.83.46 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of alanpost@sunflowerriver.org) smtp.mail=alanpost@sunflowerriver.org Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline On Mon, Feb 07, 2011 at 01:04:44PM -0500, Pierre Abbat wrote: > On Monday 07 February 2011 09:37:01 .alyn.post. wrote: > > On Mon, Feb 07, 2011 at 09:25:32AM -0500, Pierre Abbat wrote: > > > zoi my. y .my. mraigo gadri .i ki'u ma na'e ka'e tavla fi lo mraigo gadri > > > la lojban? > > > > .i ki'a mraigo > > lo mraigo cu ckini lo bre'one .e lo kernauke gi'e mleca ckini lo skoto > gailge .e lo .erni gailge .e lo gilvani .i zoi my. y .my. gilvani ji'a gadri > > > .i lo depsna cu lidne lo tavla > > ki'a > > mu'omi'e .pier. I've exceed my Lojbanic fluency then. camxes considers |y| to be whitespace, so hesitation is never seen by the grammar, it is transformed into whitespace by the morphology. I believe this is almost always the correct decision, for hesitation to preceed speech. It does make talking about hesitation a bit odd, in that you can't directly quote someone hesitating: hesitation is always something the speaker is *doing*. If you made other points I didn't understand them, will you please try again? -Alan -- .i ko djuno fi le do sevzi -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en.