From lojban+bncCMHEmaCOBhC86ubqBBoENyA2JA@googlegroups.com Mon Feb 14 15:05:42 2011 Received: from mail-gy0-f189.google.com ([209.85.160.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Pp7UB-0001MJ-04; Mon, 14 Feb 2011 15:05:42 -0800 Received: by mail-gy0-f189.google.com with SMTP id 11sf5162291gyb.16 for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2011 15:05:38 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=xuOpeT+iX7Jf8v4S9WURRJelWgJyrPkIi4Z/XrV9D2E=; b=4O8Im5iSa/F/o8UHZ3oZyNKR93VZk0OhVw2UVZ7u/mSeB2lsQSaUzmBc41YFQE3WNJ XfeWvO1mGmTdOyfbL/z92MkKBkxP3Aj1IhG4iCCHEeOfU4rHSRBfo4IzVUuhca80l1st /e/Xi89hW9DxW8IQdQC4iM0H78Z7PvHs5CgpA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=Q3zhO7s1Ys06EedEMbweZPz5QlNDx+V77KIUnuHWSeOirv1pyF9usg4WmIj9Z/IdBJ TEdOq+ukC3gmMSDOQVi5fotksZCJ7iFi18R3TrpXOVAy2sf/hXUcqCxl5Lc1TaF8pX1p +6q+IGnq5EJjJr6mWBFFy0XN5xU36eYeo+wCk= Received: by 10.151.84.17 with SMTP id m17mr629673ybl.74.1297724732469; Mon, 14 Feb 2011 15:05:32 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.231.76.165 with SMTP id c37ls4943079ibk.3.p; Mon, 14 Feb 2011 15:05:31 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.231.59.65 with SMTP id k1mr1326889ibh.6.1297724645708; Mon, 14 Feb 2011 15:04:05 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.231.59.65 with SMTP id k1mr1326888ibh.6.1297724645660; Mon, 14 Feb 2011 15:04:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-iw0-f177.google.com (mail-iw0-f177.google.com [209.85.214.177]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id jo1si466192icb.5.2011.02.14.15.04.05 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 14 Feb 2011 15:04:05 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.177 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.214.177; Received: by mail-iw0-f177.google.com with SMTP id 38so5369762iwn.8 for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2011 15:04:05 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.42.164.201 with SMTP id h9mr5800004icy.108.1297724645383; Mon, 14 Feb 2011 15:04:05 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.231.200.198 with HTTP; Mon, 14 Feb 2011 15:04:05 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <28192537.540.1297663900410.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@prhq39> <26356.79205.qm@web81306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2011 16:04:05 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Alternate counting? From: Jonathan Jones To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: eyeonus@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.177 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=eyeonus@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=90e6ba6e8a2e811ea5049c4610fc --90e6ba6e8a2e811ea5049c4610fc Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'm not entirely sure that Lindar was talking about counting as in "1, 2, 3= , 4" in the first place. count=96verb (used with object) 1. to check over (the separate units or groups of a collection) one by one to determine the total number; add up; enumerate: He counted his tickets and found he had ten. 2. to reckon up; calculate; compute. 3. to list or name the numerals up to: Close your eyes and count ten. 4. to include in a reckoning; take into account: There are five of us here, counting me. 5. to reckon to the credit of another; ascribe; impute. 6. to consider or regard: He counted himself lucky to have survived the crash. Like most English words, there are multiple senses to "count". "1,2,3,4" would be definition 1 a/o 2, "1.4653*10^4" would, I think, be 2. To quote Lindar: "To expand on the question, I mean rather than saying 14326 as "one four three two six" instead of "fourteen thousand three hundred twenty-six" are there any other counting methods? Counting exponentially, or any other system that isn't just saying all of the numbers starting at the highest place and ending at the singles?" I'm pretty sure by "counting exponentially", he is referring to scientific notation (2.25*10^2), or possibly factorization (225 =3D 3^2*5^2). On Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 2:44 PM, MorphemeAddict wrote: > What have these to do with counting? Or is that no longer the issue? > > stevo > > On Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 12:26 PM, John E Clifford w= rote: > >> IIRC there are gismu for at least 10^3n and a cmavo for E (but don't as= k >> me what any of these are) >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> *From:* Jonathan Jones >> *To:* lojban@googlegroups.com >> *Sent:* Mon, February 14, 2011 9:59:02 AM >> *Subject:* Re: [lojban] Alternate counting? >> >> As in, for example, Scientific Notation? 1.4326*10^4, as expressed in >> Lojban? >> >> On Sun, Feb 13, 2011 at 11:11 PM, Lindar wrote= : >> >>> To expand on the question, I mean rather than saying 14326 as "one four >>> three two six" instead of "fourteen thousand three hundred twenty-six" = are >>> there any other counting methods? Counting exponentially, or any other >>> system that isn't just saying all of the numbers starting at the highes= t >>> place and ending at the singles? >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Grou= ps >>> "lojban" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=3Den. >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> mu'o mi'e .aionys. >> >> .i.a'o.e'e ko cmima le bende pe lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patf= u >> do zo'o >> (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D ) >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Group= s >> "lojban" group. >> To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=3Den. >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Group= s >> "lojban" group. >> To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=3Den. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=3Den. > --=20 mu'o mi'e .aionys. .i.a'o.e'e ko cmima le bende pe lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu d= o zo'o (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D ) --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den. --90e6ba6e8a2e811ea5049c4610fc Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'm not entirely sure that Lindar was talking about counting as in &quo= t;1, 2, 3, 4" in the first place.

count

=96verb (= used w= ith o= bject)
1. to c= heck o= ver (= the s= eparate units or groups of a collection) o= ne b= y one t= o d= etermine the=A0total number; add up; e= numerate: He c= ounted h= is tickets and found he h= ad ten.
= 2. = to r= eckon up; c= alculate; c= ompute.
3.=A0= to list or name=A0t= he numerals up t= o: Close your eyes and count ten.
= 4. to include in a= r= eckoning; take i= nto account: There a= re f= ive of us here, c= ounting m= e.
= 5. = to reckon to the c= redit of a= nother; ascribe; i= mpute.
6. to consider or r= egard: He c= ounted h= imself lucky to have survived the c= rash.

Like most English words, there are mul= tiple senses to "count". "1,2,3,4" would be definition = 1 a/o 2, "1.4653*10^4" would, I think, be 2.

To quote Lind= ar:
"To expand on the question, I mean rather than saying 14326 as "o= ne four=20 three two six" instead of "fourteen thousand three hundred twenty= -six"=20 are there any other counting methods? Counting exponentially, or any=20 other system that isn't just saying all of the numbers starting at the= =20 highest place and ending at the singles?"

I'm pretty sure b= y "counting exponentially", he is referring to scientific notatio= n (2.25*10^2), or possibly factorization (225 =3D 3^2*5^2).

On Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 2:44 PM, MorphemeAddict <lytlesw@gmail.com> wrote:
=
What have these to do with counting? Or is that no longer the issue? <= /div>
=A0
stevo

On Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 12:26 PM, John E Cliffor= d <kali9putra@yahoo.com> wrote:
IIRC there are gismu for at least 10^3n and a cmavo for E (but don&= #39;t ask me what any of these are)


From: Jonathan Jones <<= a href=3D"mailto:eyeonus@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">eyeonus@gmail.com= >
To: lojban@googlegroups.com<= br> Sent: Mon, February 14, 20= 11 9:59:02 AM
Subject: = Re: [lojban] Alternate counting?

As in, for example, Scientific Notation? 1.4326*10^4, as expressed= in Lojban?

On Sun, Feb 13, 2011 at 11:11 PM, Lindar <lindarthebard@yahoo.com> wrote:
To expand on the = question, I mean rather than saying 14326 as "one four three two six&q= uot; instead of "fourteen thousand three hundred twenty-six" are = there any other counting methods? Counting exponentially, or any other syst= em that isn't just saying all of the numbers starting at the highest pl= ace and ending at the singles?=20

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