From lojban+bncCML0xpmUARD0h9DsBBoEddtvGQ@googlegroups.com Wed Mar 30 21:33:10 2011 Received: from mail-wy0-f189.google.com ([74.125.82.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Q59ZB-0007hV-8U; Wed, 30 Mar 2011 21:33:09 -0700 Received: by wya21 with SMTP id 21sf1693829wya.16 for ; Wed, 30 Mar 2011 21:32:58 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post :list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type; bh=8lFpGWbK6yl9maAzI19LJkeQvxhoKWyilPTij7C/Mqg=; b=wClbiiUZYsB3XinN6I3QcTRDwRQBeS5t3WCTc1ftUGqhqvBNMHq7aSaisUxYkJDf0E h3R/lU6qLSoaNadvk87phASHXm9l8WdrQbNeFZnWTrZDXYEXbtstKwJ1SRFnGc0jFnk7 ogt442iuPRxRPgNJrXhGZkFgqS/tcX50YLhnA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=EnIiEX3jRmpOkdtv1eu97XZ3EpXe9BwzBkSPffcNTrZA8HfhEE7nc6V9Q6oaqmNzQ2 CTf+U30Hi1T+rEsxxJPUg9AZqiCrFZpYcPt9wSITjQrjE9eR2/QyM11mlGPI8qbJ96Nq Ohzol6JSZiJdnBo/U9ir/dcK1aXq1132hHtjY= Received: by 10.216.180.77 with SMTP id i55mr450105wem.4.1301545972609; Wed, 30 Mar 2011 21:32:52 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.216.213.147 with SMTP id a19ls551611wep.2.p; Wed, 30 Mar 2011 21:32:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.60.209 with SMTP id u59mr386200wec.6.1301545971313; Wed, 30 Mar 2011 21:32:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.60.209 with SMTP id u59mr386199wec.6.1301545971186; Wed, 30 Mar 2011 21:32:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-ww0-f42.google.com (mail-ww0-f42.google.com [74.125.82.42]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id f60si99448wes.10.2011.03.30.21.32.51 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 30 Mar 2011 21:32:51 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of blindbravado@gmail.com designates 74.125.82.42 as permitted sender) client-ip=74.125.82.42; Received: by wwk4 with SMTP id 4so5285360wwk.5 for ; Wed, 30 Mar 2011 21:32:51 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.230.153 with SMTP id j25mr1631789weq.22.1301545970946; Wed, 30 Mar 2011 21:32:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.2.147 with HTTP; Wed, 30 Mar 2011 21:32:50 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 00:32:50 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Extensibility of vocatives (do'a non-selbri) From: Ian Johnson To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: blindbravado@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of blindbravado@gmail.com designates 74.125.82.42 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=blindbravado@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016e65b64fc41d25d049fbfc96b --0016e65b64fc41d25d049fbfc96b Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 {nicte ze'ei co'o} doesn't even really make sense if you ignore English; it means "night", the predicate, but has the grammar of selma'o COI. That is, the semantics of the second word are completely ignored, only its grammar is significant. Personally I'd just say {co'o xamgu sipna} or something, I think. mu'o mi'e .latros. On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 4:42 AM, .arpis. wrote: > It all started with the simple question of someone asking me if {nicte > xamgu} was a valid translation of "Good night." > > Sometimes, going off the deep end is fun. > > I recognize (or at least understand it to be the case) that selbri are as > extensible as I could possibly want them. > > Since selbri can be converted into sumti, sumti are also as extensible as I > could want. > > Is there a way that I can express a vocative which is a night parting? A > water parting? A death parting? > > Is {ze'ei} the accepted way to do this, and are {nicte ze'ei co'o}, etc. > valid uses? > > -- > mu'o mi'e .arpis. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. --0016e65b64fc41d25d049fbfc96b Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable {nicte ze'ei co'o} doesn't even really make sense if you ignore= English; it means "night", the predicate, but has the grammar of= selma'o COI. That is, the semantics of the second word are completely = ignored, only its grammar is significant.

Personally I'd just say {co'o xamgu sipna} or something, I thin= k.

mu'o mi'e .latros.

On W= ed, Mar 30, 2011 at 4:42 AM, .arpis. <rpglover64+jbobau@gmail.com>= wrote:
It all started with the simple question of = someone asking me if {nicte xamgu} was a valid translation of "Good ni= ght."

Sometimes, going off the deep end is fun.

I recognize (or at lea= st understand it to be the case) that selbri are as extensible as I could p= ossibly want them.

Since selbri can be converted into sumti, sumti are also as extensible = as I could want.

Is there a way that I can express a vocative which = is a night parting?=A0 A water parting?=A0 A death parting?

Is {ze&#= 39;ei} the accepted way to do this, and are {nicte ze'ei co'o}, etc= . valid uses?

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mu'o mi'e .arpis.

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