From lojban+bncCOib25n_BhDjn9PsBBoE7-21IQ@googlegroups.com Thu Mar 31 12:03:16 2011 Received: from mail-gx0-f189.google.com ([209.85.161.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Q5N9E-0004oh-DP; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 12:03:16 -0700 Received: by gxk3 with SMTP id 3sf5399311gxk.16 for ; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 12:03:06 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post :list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type; bh=V0gpAZKo0BxN/MbCrkXXTatEa3rZMVtvIVrIpFd2SZQ=; b=MvKIMyavw3BierGN1jPbUmwmk0cgER6+9Mo2uStwUjx0pCHjslAAKuBQLneHsYwQd9 /f9w7oqkTjwigaAlpbolBsvQPL1S+vfp/Xc1tt2YVwHFp5dywdoKJxgtyauAEtZICW5b YyJI7+oqhC7TJCWueV+b3D045CB6dMyr70YwA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=Bfl9bo/QHJHE6WwNkwjhzRPf1oxJdYGx2ErWi7VMDldRvfpkgOOLwodHCF+U0+otjo DQMd6bu85J3tX4OWFcvG6LHGeVUDjx9A8aWZGnJr510VdEtZ7bfyYszMkJ0+hld4t4NZ 9vQzX6uDuNPoftldYIhch8tSOzHtkzsvlZfKQ= Received: by 10.90.233.4 with SMTP id f4mr615131agh.31.1301598179978; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 12:02:59 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.150.58.20 with SMTP id g20ls63988yba.0.p; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 12:02:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.236.193.3 with SMTP id j3mr1381309yhn.28.1301598178356; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 12:02:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.236.193.3 with SMTP id j3mr1381308yhn.28.1301598178341; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 12:02:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-yi0-f51.google.com (mail-yi0-f51.google.com [209.85.218.51]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 33si316129yha.11.2011.03.31.12.02.58 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 31 Mar 2011 12:02:58 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of rpglover64@gmail.com designates 209.85.218.51 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.218.51; Received: by yib2 with SMTP id 2so1012148yib.10 for ; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 12:02:58 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.42.115.73 with SMTP id j9mr716icq.117.1301598178004; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 12:02:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.42.173.71 with HTTP; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 12:02:57 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 15:02:57 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Extensibility of vocatives (do'a non-selbri) From: Alex Rozenshteyn To: lojban@googlegroups.com Cc: Ian Johnson X-Original-Sender: rpglover64@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of rpglover64@gmail.com designates 209.85.218.51 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=rpglover64@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=485b397dcc410a4f43049fcbf1ba --485b397dcc410a4f43049fcbf1ba Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Is there an experimental cmavo which binds two things into a tanru-like state? sa'unai something which takes the grammar of the right word, with the meaning modified in some vague way by the selbri to its left? Would we want one? need one? On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 12:32 AM, Ian Johnson wrote: > {nicte ze'ei co'o} doesn't even really make sense if you ignore English; it > means "night", the predicate, but has the grammar of selma'o COI. That is, > the semantics of the second word are completely ignored, only its grammar is > significant. > > Personally I'd just say {co'o xamgu sipna} or something, I think. > > mu'o mi'e .latros. > > On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 4:42 AM, .arpis. wrote: > >> It all started with the simple question of someone asking me if {nicte >> xamgu} was a valid translation of "Good night." >> >> Sometimes, going off the deep end is fun. >> >> I recognize (or at least understand it to be the case) that selbri are as >> extensible as I could possibly want them. >> >> Since selbri can be converted into sumti, sumti are also as extensible as >> I could want. >> >> Is there a way that I can express a vocative which is a night parting? A >> water parting? A death parting? >> >> Is {ze'ei} the accepted way to do this, and are {nicte ze'ei co'o}, etc. >> valid uses? >> >> -- >> mu'o mi'e .arpis. >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "lojban" group. >> To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. > -- Alex R -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. --485b397dcc410a4f43049fcbf1ba Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Is there an experimental cmavo which binds two things into a tanru-like sta= te? sa'unai something which takes the grammar of the right word, with t= he meaning modified in some vague way by the selbri to its left?

Would we want one? need one?

On Thu, Mar = 31, 2011 at 12:32 AM, Ian Johnson <blindbravado@gmail.com> wrote:
{nicte ze'ei co'o} doesn't even really make sense if you ignore= English; it means "night", the predicate, but has the grammar of= selma'o COI. That is, the semantics of the second word are completely = ignored, only its grammar is significant.

Personally I'd just say {co'o xamgu sipna} or something, I thin= k.

mu'o mi'e .latros.

On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 4:42 AM, .arpis. <rpglover64+jbobau@gmail.com> wrote:
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It all started with the simple question of som= eone asking me if {nicte xamgu} was a valid translation of "Good night= ."

Sometimes, going off the deep end is fun.

I recognize (or at lea= st understand it to be the case) that selbri are as extensible as I could p= ossibly want them.

Since selbri can be converted into sumti, sumti are also as extensible = as I could want.

Is there a way that I can express a vocative which = is a night parting?=A0 A water parting?=A0 A death parting?

Is {ze&#= 39;ei} the accepted way to do this, and are {nicte ze'ei co'o}, etc= . valid uses?

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mu'o mi'e .arpis.

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