From lojban+bncCIywt_XDCRCUotTsBBoEcdBDig@googlegroups.com Thu Mar 31 16:41:24 2011 Received: from mail-yi0-f61.google.com ([209.85.218.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Q5RUO-0007U8-KY; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 16:41:23 -0700 Received: by yie19 with SMTP id 19sf5793647yie.16 for ; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 16:41:14 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:x-beenthere:received-spf :x-yahoo-newman-property:x-yahoo-newman-id:message-id:x-ymail-osg :x-mailer:references:date:from:subject:to:in-reply-to:mime-version :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post :list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=h18Cj4kF9Q9iHLYe9j9SJX15+K/SK5SR35vtNFNVIo0=; b=Mp3ueeb2QUdjoNlMlzs3WS83g5Ge2WPKLl6PCv+/JBsYc+I7UrLdA9fYlDH28k4e7/ yO6sWOt9f4YvMGkAKb3P0SP/bxz+ih04cRfNQopwYYo4JqnauB5fjkMYgPN/AmsjmcJy kStuO7C2HlRiexin6hgHoG7FrVcdXzST2MGGk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:x-yahoo-newman-property:x-yahoo-newman-id :message-id:x-ymail-osg:x-mailer:references:date:from:subject:to :in-reply-to:mime-version:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=3Ayp3mE9u+pM45KFJYEQHuU5eoZ2UzVYecy/dHfdx5T4JVsnagagFKXxRenmRw+SNb W3J0Vh3ClzrLpm9QB6DFVK9v2HL3WPqIs045fiGmI2uXiwtSZc1sZwax3gokWzsyGWeQ oDER473HnjDhN+heA434zqUMlzjg32poNUWao= Received: by 10.101.24.3 with SMTP id b3mr527413anj.30.1301614868128; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 16:41:08 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.100.50.34 with SMTP id x34ls400270anx.4.p; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 16:41:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.101.65.9 with SMTP id s9mr1491484ank.15.1301614866499; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 16:41:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.101.65.9 with SMTP id s9mr1491483ank.15.1301614866479; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 16:41:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nm15.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com (nm15.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com [66.94.237.216]) by gmr-mx.google.com with SMTP id o38si421664ani.9.2011.03.31.16.41.05; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 16:41:05 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of kali9putra@yahoo.com designates 66.94.237.216 as permitted sender) client-ip=66.94.237.216; Received: from [66.94.237.198] by nm15.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Mar 2011 23:41:05 -0000 Received: from [66.94.237.110] by tm9.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Mar 2011 23:41:05 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1015.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Mar 2011 23:41:05 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 147497.83010.bm@omp1015.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 53167 invoked by uid 60001); 31 Mar 2011 23:41:05 -0000 Message-ID: <917139.16117.qm@web81303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: k2gy5NMVM1mo41jTx14B4swLTq_rZkfXU6KZSJZAjsqC9gs Y_JPBwbY1Q4hZm5xDoq8ou2uIhayIBYJmvmEZyt.P3W4Z.HuRTiWQprr.wcF MahzMRcoIb.0LiipGT15BD0Bzx6iXsXwoLaUrmIKwOXeJwfCDYCkSIFL.Wrc Hm..qaCPVInIy5ndrYvopvvEw_f0aflAcdoxRX8NyUkotbVPqAK6YbekpDIh Pce7QS0k39kBEnNGfaqX5At9o.EI7vE3WNXcr_RlyzqnZFMA54lHmFL_CQKn rRxFlwnEumY4xoAfZxftWYrn1xYFJPHlOW53kEeCUMuIMimev90zEM29Uk3d _cGwN3nOU3rMyoZ3JoYy4001dBkmOKHhwOWTq.rJKL9mV0DGcsqNgEz37Z7y lW0Vt.9zF6qCajPETPj4B6GjVs4ogLg-- Received: from [99.92.108.41] by web81303.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 16:41:04 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/559 YahooMailWebService/0.8.109.295617 References: Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 16:41:04 -0700 (PDT) From: John E Clifford Subject: Re: [lojban] Extensibility of vocatives (do'a non-selbri) To: lojban@googlegroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Original-Sender: kali9putra@yahoo.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of kali9putra@yahoo.com designates 66.94.237.216 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=kali9putra@yahoo.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@yahoo.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Since these last few days have been devoted to "the right way" to say a=20 conventional utterance like "Good Night", why not just use a relevant utter= ance=20 and make a convention about it. Loglan had 'speni lo gudbi' (which was=20 probably eventually something else) "Experience good things". Note it is no= t an=20 imperative nor a hortative or the like, just a bare form floating around, j= ust=20 the sort of thing for a conventional utterance. Of course, you have to=20 translate it over and maybe dress it up for particular occasions (Good Nigh= t,=20 Happy Birthday, etc.) but the general pattern has been around for 55 years = now. =20 why diddle? ----- Original Message ---- From: Jorge Llamb=EDas To: lojban@googlegroups.com Sent: Thu, March 31, 2011 4:52:47 PM Subject: Re: [lojban] Extensibility of vocatives (do'a non-selbri) On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 4:02 PM, Alex Rozenshteyn wr= ote: > Is there an experimental cmavo which binds two things into a tanru-like > state? sa'unai something which takes the grammar of the right word, with = the > meaning modified in some vague way by the selbri to its left? Sounds like "ze'ei" to me. mu'o mi'e xorxes --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups= =20 "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to=20 lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at=20 http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=3Den. =20 --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den.