From lojban+bncCMHEmaCOBhCJwtTsBBoEVHmw-Q@googlegroups.com Thu Mar 31 17:49:31 2011 Received: from mail-fx0-f61.google.com ([209.85.161.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Q5SYI-0005kB-6L; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 17:49:31 -0700 Received: by fxm14 with SMTP id 14sf2252581fxm.16 for ; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 17:49:19 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post :list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type; bh=ehEM2sHiuH9MHUpJspOnO8w5m/QsDio35gSmIg0NUC4=; b=b7/KqRhOiaQqtXirnj/dt+d1AvMhTu4+PIJcdOdMEMvTt4lh5d6wfna/f4IM1OmIUN v3ez18eIqbJLHHIYoMJ9URnLSOV9DPft2iYRmgXIlFLrW+YfVg60ZWFHH4YJrGWwg2bB dOcuo4v4nXWNTXbrvoHkvmmYplVwCfYa6aEKU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=ZjIJlNiYb9lvYOn75OC+n5nYUyc2GWOzshua9Sx5oYMoCHkvFhQHFW+l+0oY2mfsj4 zc1MKrtojGK+tFScOLlImuLMl7touhZ7KVCys88w8LwFyG4BmTOisIiJedWtF/xtRBkw Jf0WFhyxyxAEyC6+L8m74xnyMBHYfzbQiPaSk= Received: by 10.223.97.5 with SMTP id j5mr564010fan.11.1301618953538; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 17:49:13 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.204.138.67 with SMTP id z3ls1103589bkt.0.p; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 17:49:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.10.141 with SMTP id p13mr428744bkp.4.1301618951341; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 17:49:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.10.141 with SMTP id p13mr428743bkp.4.1301618951318; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 17:49:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-bw0-f42.google.com (mail-bw0-f42.google.com [209.85.214.42]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id j10si291413bka.0.2011.03.31.17.49.11 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 31 Mar 2011 17:49:11 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.42 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.214.42; Received: by mail-bw0-f42.google.com with SMTP id 18so3143182bwz.15 for ; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 17:49:11 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.172.129 with SMTP id l1mr2944076bkz.99.1301618951092; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 17:49:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.104.5 with HTTP; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 17:49:10 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <917139.16117.qm@web81303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <917139.16117.qm@web81303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 18:49:10 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Extensibility of vocatives (do'a non-selbri) From: Jonathan Jones To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: eyeonus@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.42 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=eyeonus@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=bcaec52c5e6b36789f049fd0c7cb --bcaec52c5e6b36789f049fd0c7cb Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 5:41 PM, John E Clifford wrot= e: > Since these last few days have been devoted to "the right way" to say a > conventional utterance like "Good Night", why not just use a relevant > utterance > and make a convention about it. Loglan had 'speni lo gudbi' (which was > probably eventually something else) "Experience good things". Note it is > not an > imperative nor a hortative or the like, just a bare form floating around, > just > the sort of thing for a conventional utterance. Of course, you have to > translate it over and maybe dress it up for particular occasions (Good > Night, > Happy Birthday, etc.) but the general pattern has been around for 55 year= s > now. > why diddle? > zo'o Because we're Lojbanists! That's what we do! > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Jorge Llamb=EDas > To: lojban@googlegroups.com > Sent: Thu, March 31, 2011 4:52:47 PM > Subject: Re: [lojban] Extensibility of vocatives (do'a non-selbri) > > On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 4:02 PM, Alex Rozenshteyn > wrote: > > Is there an experimental cmavo which binds two things into a tanru-like > > state? sa'unai something which takes the grammar of the right word, wit= h > the > > meaning modified in some vague way by the selbri to its left? > > Sounds like "ze'ei" to me. > > mu'o mi'e xorxes > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=3Den. > > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=3Den. > > --=20 mu'o mi'e .aionys. .i.a'o.e'e ko cmima le bende pe lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu d= o zo'o (Come to the Dot Side! 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On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 5:41 PM, John E Clifford= <kali9putra@y= ahoo.com> wrote:
Since these last few days have been devoted to "the right way" to= say a
conventional utterance like "Good Night", why not just use a rele= vant utterance
and make a convention about it. =A0Loglan had 'speni lo gudbi' =A0(= which was
probably eventually something else) "Experience good things". Not= e it is not an
imperative nor a hortative or the like, just a bare form floating around, j= ust
the sort of thing for a conventional utterance. =A0Of course, you have to translate it over and maybe dress it up for particular occasions (Good Nigh= t,
Happy Birthday, etc.) but the general pattern has been around for 55 years = now.
why diddle?
=A0
zo'o Because we're L= ojbanists! That's what we do!
=A0
----- Original Message ----
From: Jorge Llamb=EDas <jjllambi= as@gmail.com>
To: lojban@googlegroups.com<= br> Sent: Thu, March 31, 2011 4:52:47 PM
Subject: Re: [lojban] Extensibility of vocatives (do'a non-selbri)

On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 4:02 PM, Alex Rozenshteyn <rpglover64@gmail.com> wrote:
> Is there an experimental cmavo which binds two things into a tanru-lik= e
> state? sa'unai something which takes the grammar of the right word= , with the
> meaning modified in some vague way by the selbri to its left?

Sounds like "ze'ei" to me.

mu'o mi'e xorxes

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