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charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Painfully true, alas (and I've been at it 35 years) but occasionally it is = time=20 to say."Enough, 'tis sufficient, 'twill serve" amnd go back to constructive= =20 stuff like the best sense of the fifth place of... ________________________________ From: Jonathan Jones To: lojban@googlegroups.com Sent: Thu, March 31, 2011 7:49:10 PM Subject: Re: [lojban] Extensibility of vocatives (do'a non-selbri) On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 5:41 PM, John E Clifford wro= te: Since these last few days have been devoted to "the right way" to say a >conventional utterance like "Good Night", why not just use a relevant utte= rance >and make a convention about it. Loglan had 'speni lo gudbi' (which was >probably eventually something else) "Experience good things". Note it is n= ot an >imperative nor a hortative or the like, just a bare form floating around, = just >the sort of thing for a conventional utterance. Of course, you have to >translate it over and maybe dress it up for particular occasions (Good Nig= ht, >Happy Birthday, etc.) but the general pattern has been around for 55 years= now. >why diddle? > =20 zo'o Because we're Lojbanists! That's what we do! =20 ----- Original Message ---- >From: Jorge Llamb=EDas >To: lojban@googlegroups.com >Sent: Thu, March 31, 2011 4:52:47 PM >Subject: Re: [lojban] Extensibility of vocatives (do'a non-selbri) > >On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 4:02 PM, Alex Rozenshteyn w= rote: >> Is there an experimental cmavo which binds two things into a tanru-like >> state? sa'unai something which takes the grammar of the right word, with= the >> meaning modified in some vague way by the selbri to its left? > >Sounds like "ze'ei" to me. > >mu'o mi'e xorxes > >-- >You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >"lojban" group. >To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. >To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >For more options, visit this group at >http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=3Den. > > > > >-- >You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups= =20 >"lojban" group. >To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. >To unsubscribe from this group, send email to=20 >lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >For more options, visit this group at=20 >http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=3Den. > > --=20 mu'o mi'e .aionys. .i.a'o.e'e ko cmima le bende pe lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu d= o=20 zo'o (Come to the Dot Side! 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Painfully true, alas (and I've been at it 35 years) but occasi= onally it is time to say."Enough, 'tis sufficient, 'twill serve" amnd go ba= ck to constructive stuff like the best sense of the fifth place of...



From: Jonathan Jones &= lt;eyeonus@gmail.com>
To: lojban@googlegroups.com
Sent= : Thu, March 31, 2011 7:49:10 PM
Subject: Re: [lojban] Extensibility of vocatives (do'a non-selbri)

On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 5:41 PM, John E Clifford= <kali9putra@y= ahoo.com> wrote:
Since these last few days have been devoted to "the right way" to say a
conventional utterance like "Good Night", why not just use a relevant utter= ance
and make a convention about it.  Loglan had 'speni lo gudbi'  (wh= ich was
probably eventually something else) "Experience good things". Note it is no= t an
imperative nor a hortative or the like, just a bare form floating around, j= ust
the sort of thing for a conventional utterance.  Of course, you have t= o
translate it over and maybe dress it up for particular occasions (Good Nigh= t,
Happy Birthday, etc.) but the general pattern has been around for 55 years = now.
why diddle?
 
zo'o Because we're Lojban= ists! That's what we do!
 
----- Original Message ----
From: Jorge Llamb=EDas <jjllambi= as@gmail.com>
To: lojban@googlegroups.com=
Sent: Thu, March 31, 2011 4:52:47 PM
Subject: Re: [lojban] Extensibility of vocatives (do'a non-selbri)

On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 4:02 PM, Alex Rozenshteyn <rpglover64@gmail.com> wrote:
> Is there an experimental cmavo which binds two things into a tanru-lik= e
> state? sa'unai something which takes the grammar of the right word, wi= th the
> meaning modified in some vague way by the selbri to its left?

Sounds like "ze'ei" to me.

mu'o mi'e xorxes

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