From lojban+bncCMHEmaCOBhCm_tTsBBoEdRpjLA@googlegroups.com Thu Mar 31 19:58:02 2011 Received: from mail-fx0-f61.google.com ([209.85.161.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Q5UYd-0002f9-3D; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 19:58:02 -0700 Received: by fxm14 with SMTP id 14sf2295124fxm.16 for ; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 19:57:48 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post :list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type; bh=emhU2TiKh/cXEa+Y3pMM34CfUYKJHfSx2cvE6mLx21g=; b=ZdbbETwYYUk+LMqrvFZFp3XCIeNENtSunhNUcoznZRhngC5ELjyIH85/MKN92ZHZZW OcQHBk0qF6ZvsLmFF9x9zoYLLJeLAx68uTBMjSeXv0AYGof6c7RFJWumvXnxotyDVioE F6CJVXdbj3Rdni0IJMkX0/auPBK2gXq4ajPGI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=L+2tlfeBjKPGduGrgsvKsgYQZeJfbjalyCQcn/MwgdalzeMmDR53UaHnqOGbmcXP0U wgcRpNjc/gyh4awet9syhhkS/1C+8o1hZoz0wn4vM9p2Ehrjv1UP3wV6Q1PthrDBufgM YSt/N0D4uO7qSDFt/UTzP82jXLCDE66td+KC4= Received: by 10.223.102.199 with SMTP id h7mr400720fao.38.1301626662218; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 19:57:42 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.223.15.10 with SMTP id i10ls702647faa.1.p; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 19:57:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.223.63.83 with SMTP id a19mr468975fai.0.1301626660893; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 19:57:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.223.63.83 with SMTP id a19mr468974fai.0.1301626660857; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 19:57:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-bw0-f45.google.com (mail-bw0-f45.google.com [209.85.214.45]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id p7si174999faa.9.2011.03.31.19.57.40 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 31 Mar 2011 19:57:40 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.45 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.214.45; Received: by mail-bw0-f45.google.com with SMTP id 16so2847338bwz.18 for ; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 19:57:40 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.19.3 with SMTP id y3mr2967534bka.180.1301626660617; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 19:57:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.104.5 with HTTP; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 19:57:40 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <325888.62436.qm@web81306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <917139.16117.qm@web81303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <325888.62436.qm@web81306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 20:57:40 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Extensibility of vocatives (do'a non-selbri) From: Jonathan Jones To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: eyeonus@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.45 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=eyeonus@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=00032555717abc7f32049fd29259 --00032555717abc7f32049fd29259 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Isn't the fifth place usually the one about "under standard" or equivalent? On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 8:26 PM, John E Clifford wrot= e: > Painfully true, alas (and I've been at it 35 years) but occasionally it i= s > time to say."Enough, 'tis sufficient, 'twill serve" amnd go back to > constructive stuff like the best sense of the fifth place of... > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Jonathan Jones > *To:* lojban@googlegroups.com > *Sent:* Thu, March 31, 2011 7:49:10 PM > > *Subject:* Re: [lojban] Extensibility of vocatives (do'a non-selbri) > > On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 5:41 PM, John E Clifford wr= ote: > >> Since these last few days have been devoted to "the right way" to say a >> conventional utterance like "Good Night", why not just use a relevant >> utterance >> and make a convention about it. Loglan had 'speni lo gudbi' (which was >> probably eventually something else) "Experience good things". Note it is >> not an >> imperative nor a hortative or the like, just a bare form floating around= , >> just >> the sort of thing for a conventional utterance. Of course, you have to >> translate it over and maybe dress it up for particular occasions (Good >> Night, >> Happy Birthday, etc.) but the general pattern has been around for 55 yea= rs >> now. >> why diddle? >> > > zo'o Because we're Lojbanists! That's what we do! > > >> ----- Original Message ---- >> From: Jorge Llamb=EDas >> To: lojban@googlegroups.com >> Sent: Thu, March 31, 2011 4:52:47 PM >> Subject: Re: [lojban] Extensibility of vocatives (do'a non-selbri) >> >> On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 4:02 PM, Alex Rozenshteyn >> wrote: >> > Is there an experimental cmavo which binds two things into a tanru-lik= e >> > state? sa'unai something which takes the grammar of the right word, wi= th >> the >> > meaning modified in some vague way by the selbri to its left? >> >> Sounds like "ze'ei" to me. >> >> mu'o mi'e xorxes >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Group= s >> "lojban" group. >> To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=3Den. >> >> >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Group= s >> "lojban" group. >> To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=3Den. >> >> > > > -- > mu'o mi'e .aionys. > > .i.a'o.e'e ko cmima le bende pe lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu > do zo'o > (Come to the Dot Side! 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On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 8:= 26 PM, John E Clifford <kali9putra@yahoo.com> wrote:
Painfully true, alas (and I've= been at it 35 years) but occasionally it is time to say."Enough, '= ;tis sufficient, 'twill serve" amnd go back to constructive stuff = like the best sense of the fifth place of...


From: Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com&g= t;
To: lojban@googlegroups.com
Sent: Thu, March 31, 2011 7:= 49:10 PM

Subject: Re: [lojban] Extensibility of vocatives (do'= a non-selbri)

On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 5:41 PM, John E Clifford= <kali9putra@yahoo.com> wrote:
Since these last few days have been devoted to "the right way" to= say a
conventional utterance like "Good Night", why not just use a rele= vant utterance
and make a convention about it. =A0Loglan had 'speni lo gudbi' =A0(= which was
probably eventually something else) "Experience good things". Not= e it is not an
imperative nor a hortative or the like, just a bare form floating around, j= ust
the sort of thing for a conventional utterance. =A0Of course, you have to translate it over and maybe dress it up for particular occasions (Good Nigh= t,
Happy Birthday, etc.) but the general pattern has been around for 55 years = now.
why diddle?
=A0
zo'o Because we're L= ojbanists! That's what we do!
=A0
----- Original Message ----
From: Jorge Llamb=EDas <jjllambias@gmail.com>
To: lojban@googlegroups.com
Sent: Thu, March 31, 2011 4:52:47 PM
Subject: Re: [lojban] Extensibility of vocatives (do'a non-selbri)

On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 4:02 PM, Alex Rozenshteyn <rpglover64@gmail.com<= /a>> wrote:
> Is there an experimental cmavo which binds two things into a tanru-lik= e
> state? sa'unai something which takes the grammar of the right word= , with the
> meaning modified in some vague way by the selbri to its left?

Sounds like "ze'ei" to me.

mu'o mi'e xorxes

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