From lojban+bncCOib25n_BhDmvuTrBBoEbRrflg@googlegroups.com Thu Mar 10 10:59:07 2011 Received: from mail-gx0-f189.google.com ([209.85.161.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Pxl4e-00056E-Jh; Thu, 10 Mar 2011 10:59:06 -0800 Received: by gxk19 with SMTP id 19sf1594286gxk.16 for ; Thu, 10 Mar 2011 10:58:54 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:sender :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post :list-help:list-archive:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=z21bGNlKxwheSuJKXPbtljqJBKqF216WRXcbcwdxZ/U=; b=Di9gv6z31+djv6g5tTTPALHMXmxqTmgqpFz+mfehaF9JOksQfWEOZhGLWOFndoQozE mpYIntyAL/BhR4f/uLoqjReDz872I/xiG+BwVWYNjtLtdZ4l4FMgEAqwvAYvdK0UmrIR Lj4me+4mMsU/UTNpcMlbrhhZMLmB03BbhtwRg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=PVkwX7b4JOhczS07DC0qfFzVOzEsxSntv0+1DsrsWc7VJJXGNxDXBEkMFZttP2hyjV oGGthq0XfAm0ikzzl/j0tFeO95fneQuVBtNmSDhXg36ihz8zx7J2VqODb0j6ZsL8BOkU Ypn/V0xiuISQ9fqfqlPDknqlrF7DSpGPrFlEI= Received: by 10.150.61.19 with SMTP id j19mr261549yba.64.1299783526754; Thu, 10 Mar 2011 10:58:46 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.231.57.97 with SMTP id b33ls933616ibh.0.p; Thu, 10 Mar 2011 10:58:45 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.231.140.14 with SMTP id g14mr2914519ibu.1.1299783525753; Thu, 10 Mar 2011 10:58:45 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.231.140.14 with SMTP id g14mr2914516ibu.1.1299783525708; Thu, 10 Mar 2011 10:58:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-iw0-f181.google.com (mail-iw0-f181.google.com [209.85.214.181]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id co39si813731ibb.1.2011.03.10.10.58.45 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 10 Mar 2011 10:58:45 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of rpglover64@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.181 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.214.181; Received: by iwn2 with SMTP id 2so2598915iwn.40 for ; Thu, 10 Mar 2011 10:58:45 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.42.131.137 with SMTP id z9mr820572ics.60.1299783525584; Thu, 10 Mar 2011 10:58:45 -0800 (PST) Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.42.178.9 with HTTP; Thu, 10 Mar 2011 10:58:45 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <201103101228.36457.phma@phma.optus.nu> References: <107229.22351.qm@web88005.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <827885.13193.qm@web88004.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <201103101228.36457.phma@phma.optus.nu> Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2011 13:58:45 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Register Login Logout revisited From: ".arpis." To: lojban@googlegroups.com Cc: Pierre Abbat X-Original-Sender: rpglover64@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of rpglover64@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.181 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=rpglover64@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=90e6ba21242953ceda049e256fef --90e6ba21242953ceda049e256fef Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 iesai I agree with {co'a broda}, although I think {mo'u broda} might be better for logging out (it's the natural end of one event of "being logged in", not some interruption). I like the idea of {cmene} being in the lujvo, but I'm less sure of {zvati}. On Thu, Mar 10, 2011 at 12:28 PM, Pierre Abbat wrote: > On Thursday 10 March 2011 09:59:56 A. PIEKARSKI wrote: > >> It seems to me that the essential difference between 'register' > > and 'log in' is that the first is an act of joining (which may or may > > not require approval) whereas the second is 'I am about to > > participate'). > > > > So how about {cmidji} for 'register'? > > I'd prefer "cmibi'o". Registering isn't wanting to be a member, it is > becoming > a member. > > > If not. we still have {pliveigau}. I don't like the {vei} the production > > of a record is not a differentiator. Whether you log in, log out, or > > register, a record is produced in all cases. > > > > And what about 'log out'? {plisti}? > > I can use, and even edit, Wikipedia without logging in. But when I log in > and > write something there, my name is recorded. When I am not logged in, I am > identified only by IP address. So how about "cmezva" for "be logged in", > and "co'a cmezva" and "co'u cmezva"? > > Pierre > -- > li fi'u vu'u fi'u fi'u du li pa > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. > > -- mu'o mi'e .arpis. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. --90e6ba21242953ceda049e256fef Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable iesai

I agree with {co'a broda}, although I think {mo'u brod= a} might be better for logging out (it's the natural end of one event o= f "being logged in", not some interruption).

I like the id= ea of {cmene} being in the lujvo, but I'm less sure of {zvati}.

On Thu, Mar 10, 2011 at 12:28 PM, Pierre Abb= at <phma@phma.op= tus.nu> wrote:
On Thursday 10 March 2011 09:59:56 A. PIEKARSKI wrote: >> It seems to me that the essential difference between 'register= '
> and 'log in' is that the first is an=A0act of joining (which m= ay or may
> not require approval)=A0whereas the second is 'I am about to
> participate').
>
> So how about {cmidji} for 'register'?

I'd prefer "cmibi'o". Registering isn't wanting= to be a member, it is becoming
a member.

> If not. we still have {pliveigau}.=A0 I don't like the {vei} the p= roduction
> of a record is not a differentiator.=A0 Whether you log in, log out, o= r
> register, a record is produced in all cases.
>
> And what about 'log out'? {plisti}?

I can use, and even edit, Wikipedia without logging in. But when I lo= g in and
write something there, my name is recorded. When I am not logged in, I am identified only by IP address. So how about "cmezva" for "be= logged in",
and "co'a cmezva" and "co'u cmezva"?

Pierre
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