From lojban+bncCNnrl6D7GxDjyejrBBoETH9wXw@googlegroups.com Fri Mar 11 05:34:48 2011 Received: from mail-qy0-f189.google.com ([209.85.216.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Py2UK-0003qV-7S; Fri, 11 Mar 2011 05:34:48 -0800 Received: by qyk36 with SMTP id 36sf6615907qyk.16 for ; Fri, 11 Mar 2011 05:34:33 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:x-beenthere:mime-version:date:in-reply-to:x-ip :references:user-agent:x-http-useragent:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id :x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=jvwsbWiFfSN2+mZd8r8DUI91CZYqDBorhz6/7kW4qgE=; b=Rcr5VJRD246GCxDHhjCqUvdnQeV17nGcxl8cwT7EL3WImyNLqJFMWx/rOWAp4guW++ RVJERc1iFUvh4wU64OITc8wD+z2ZQKqKGjyHCv8k5I4VZ+kgfBLhj6Wxdnggojsvyg8E jITmUBN9wuN6pSgbDpmCncixMX+gS2sgbm4Mo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:mime-version:date:in-reply-to:x-ip:references :user-agent:x-http-useragent:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id :x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=gNUhLjLQJvherRLlweIDFAK7BdCpQFpVw3WMiG1OPzyTUw6AzarM9LOCgNFnEppl/a TuiJ4RLXYZHR8XdhgvAD/hTFu+s5YEMAUD9bKnbUjmIPy+tw41BMjGcx6g0ZSdJfHWIe YvycRsGRw2ZDBmaSsToOvk5uKFdtHwQ75pgWQ= Received: by 10.224.194.70 with SMTP id dx6mr10456qab.38.1299850467834; Fri, 11 Mar 2011 05:34:27 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.224.179.137 with SMTP id bq9ls360311qab.6.p; Fri, 11 Mar 2011 05:34:27 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.224.95.69 with SMTP id c5mr904720qan.9.1299850467534; Fri, 11 Mar 2011 05:34:27 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.220.184.75 with SMTP id cj11mr721834vcb.34.1299826711186; Thu, 10 Mar 2011 22:58:31 -0800 (PST) Received: by r17g2000vbc.googlegroups.com with HTTP; Thu, 10 Mar 2011 22:58:31 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2011 22:58:31 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: X-IP: 84.228.243.54 References: <107229.22351.qm@web88005.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <827885.13193.qm@web88004.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <201103101228.36457.phma@phma.optus.nu> User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 7.0; Windows NT 6.0; Trident/4.0; SLCC1; .NET CLR 2.0.50727; .NET CLR 3.5.21022; InfoPath.2; FDM; .NET CLR 3.5.30729; MS-RTC LM 8; OfficeLiveConnector.1.3; OfficeLivePatch.0.0; .NET CLR 3.0.30729; .NET4.0C; .NET4.0E),gzip(gfe) Message-ID: Subject: [lojban] Re: Register Login Logout revisited From: vensa To: lojban X-Original-Sender: seraviv@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable OK, so here's my take on this whole issue: 1. As for "register", dictionary.com defines the noun "register" as firstly: "a book in which records of acts, events, names, etc., are kept" and the verb "register" as firstly: "to enter or cause to be entered formally in a register". This causes me to want "register" to be about "recording", i.e. {vreji}. And, what are you recording? The fact that you are a member. So I propose: {cmirejgau} Defined as: da gasnu lonu zo'e vreji lodu'u da cmima de vau da di Or: x1=3Dg1=3Dv3=3Dc1 registers as a member of x2=3Dc2, registration preserved = in medium x3=3Dv4 2. As for "log in/out". Obviously, these terms need to be somehow opposite of each other. To do this, we might think to either use {to'e}, or oppositely defined gismu (such as the proposed {nenri} and {bartu}). This might work if we want to stick with something simple like "Enter" and "Exit" (which is BTW how most hebrew sites translate "log in/out"). However, if we want to be more sophisticated, the {to'e} method becomes problematic, because the act of logging in is not exactly opposite to the act of logging out. i.e. When logging in you provide credentials to be recognized by, and when logging out you simply remove yourself. You don't "unprovide" those credentials. That's why IMO we should focus here on defining the "state" of being logged in, and use {co'a} and {co'u} as the "opposites" in the relation (as was recently suggested). Also, I think it would be good to have some common link, between the word for "register" and "logged in". So, IMO being logged in is about providing some kind of credentials (which incidentaly dont have do be a "name" persay (you might log in with a fingerprint)) that "make you familiar" to the site/ system/group which you previously registered with. So, in concluson I propose: {cmisau} Defined as: da slabu de loka da cmima de vau di Or: x1=3Ds1=3Dc1 is logged in to x2=3Ds2=3Dc2 by standard x3=3Ds4 Effectively, "log in" and "log out" become {co'arcmisau} and {co'urcmisau} respectively - or just {ko co'a cmisau} and {ko co'u cmisau} On Mar 10, 11:29=A0pm, Jonathan Jones wrote: > Logging in is a kind of identification or authentication, what can e do w= ith > that concept? > > Sent from my Android. > > On Mar 10, 2011 11:58 AM, ".arpis." wrote: > > iesai > > I agree with {co'a broda}, although I think {mo'u broda} might be better = for > logging out (it's the natural end of one event of "being logged in", not > some interruption). > > I like the idea of {cmene} being in the lujvo, but I'm less sure of {zvat= i}. > > On Thu, Mar 10, 2011 at 12:28 PM, Pierre Abbat wrote= : > > > On Thursday 10 Marc... > > -- > mu'o mi'e .arpis. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To p... --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den.