From lojban+bncCOjSjrXVGBCfhenrBBoEXL6uMw@googlegroups.com Fri Mar 11 07:41:35 2011 Received: from mail-yx0-f189.google.com ([209.85.213.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Py4T4-0005iD-T9; Fri, 11 Mar 2011 07:41:35 -0800 Received: by yxd5 with SMTP id 5sf2402836yxd.16 for ; Fri, 11 Mar 2011 07:41:25 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post :list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type; bh=CfMQYESJw//8EJUhLxz0K/7MgvKZGqtArcxtv6eXNvk=; b=V1eZUgX97lSqen8kwvyAXpbXWicnEjK6skUN/IyxJdLu1CL21gBAS7TDDHaDtif/NC 8ZdIL+XZ2m1wV+SgGWaQa59Vh5AIQA4mIkzwk3D0AU2Q+Xjymr4l+BSrExGzkiFzYKRT puTvmfa7KjU1KOheQDQKWMtsSc8iA+mnKLE1M= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=1ji1LgUsfQVm41HmmmOBxOiUTr2bEJ19+oijhmfEJb+4hc7kbhY4tH6UdD71WoMedC cpr+UXVv6VuHxS+fotf+kIB6QVVItfgfLxRy9XZgUcda9a3Z3PEfUqw9LIV26AVGnYBR 04e9T0ro464lQbDXk9Ws7c0VQPijHqMwlpOJw= Received: by 10.150.116.3 with SMTP id o3mr519555ybc.20.1299858079246; Fri, 11 Mar 2011 07:41:19 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.231.67.68 with SMTP id q4ls1728283ibi.3.p; Fri, 11 Mar 2011 07:41:18 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.43.68.129 with SMTP id xy1mr978688icb.75.1299858078357; Fri, 11 Mar 2011 07:41:18 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.43.68.129 with SMTP id xy1mr978687icb.75.1299858078318; Fri, 11 Mar 2011 07:41:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-iy0-f180.google.com (mail-iy0-f180.google.com [209.85.210.180]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id wr7si628660icb.2.2011.03.11.07.41.18 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 11 Mar 2011 07:41:18 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of lukeabergen@gmail.com designates 209.85.210.180 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.210.180; Received: by mail-iy0-f180.google.com with SMTP id 40so3598435iyf.11 for ; Fri, 11 Mar 2011 07:41:18 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.231.185.146 with SMTP id co18mr7144747ibb.196.1299858076485; Fri, 11 Mar 2011 07:41:16 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.231.206.207 with HTTP; Fri, 11 Mar 2011 07:41:16 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.231.206.207 with HTTP; Fri, 11 Mar 2011 07:41:16 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <107229.22351.qm@web88005.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <827885.13193.qm@web88004.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <201103101228.36457.phma@phma.optus.nu> Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2011 10:41:16 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: Register Login Logout revisited From: Luke Bergen To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: lukeabergen@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of lukeabergen@gmail.com designates 209.85.210.180 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=lukeabergen@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=005045013d97e847f9049e36cae6 --005045013d97e847f9049e36cae6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I like it. It makes sense. It's not five hundred pe'a rafsi long. And it's based on describing the idea instead of just emulating the english. On Mar 11, 2011 8:34 AM, "vensa" wrote: > OK, so here's my take on this whole issue: > > 1. As for "register", dictionary.com defines the noun "register" as > firstly: > "a book in which records of acts, events, names, etc., are kept" > and the verb "register" as firstly: > "to enter or cause to be entered formally in a register". > This causes me to want "register" to be about "recording", i.e. > {vreji}. > And, what are you recording? The fact that you are a member. > So I propose: > {cmirejgau} > Defined as: > da gasnu lonu zo'e vreji lodu'u da cmima de vau da di > Or: > x1=g1=v3=c1 registers as a member of x2=c2, registration preserved in > medium x3=v4 > > > 2. As for "log in/out". Obviously, these terms need to be somehow > opposite of each other. To do this, we might think to either use > {to'e}, or oppositely defined gismu (such as the proposed {nenri} and > {bartu}). This might work if we want to stick with something simple > like "Enter" and "Exit" (which is BTW how most hebrew sites translate > "log in/out"). > However, if we want to be more sophisticated, the {to'e} method > becomes problematic, because the act of logging in is not exactly > opposite to the act of logging out. i.e. When logging in you provide > credentials to be recognized by, and when logging out you simply > remove yourself. You don't "unprovide" those credentials. > > That's why IMO we should focus here on defining the "state" of being > logged in, and use {co'a} and {co'u} as the "opposites" in the > relation (as was recently suggested). Also, I think it would be good > to have some common link, between the word for "register" and "logged > in". So, IMO being logged in is about providing some kind of > credentials (which incidentaly dont have do be a "name" persay (you > might log in with a fingerprint)) that "make you familiar" to the site/ > system/group which you previously registered with. > So, in concluson I propose: > {cmisau} > Defined as: > da slabu de loka da cmima de vau di > Or: > x1=s1=c1 is logged in to x2=s2=c2 by standard x3=s4 > > Effectively, "log in" and "log out" become {co'arcmisau} and > {co'urcmisau} respectively - or just {ko co'a cmisau} and {ko co'u > cmisau} > > On Mar 10, 11:29 pm, Jonathan Jones wrote: >> Logging in is a kind of identification or authentication, what can e do with >> that concept? >> >> Sent from my Android. >> >> On Mar 10, 2011 11:58 AM, ".arpis." wrote: >> >> iesai >> >> I agree with {co'a broda}, although I think {mo'u broda} might be better for >> logging out (it's the natural end of one event of "being logged in", not >> some interruption). >> >> I like the idea of {cmene} being in the lujvo, but I'm less sure of {zvati}. >> >> On Thu, Mar 10, 2011 at 12:28 PM, Pierre Abbat wrote: >> >> > On Thursday 10 Marc... >> >> -- >> mu'o mi'e .arpis. >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "lojban" group. >> To p... > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. 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I like it.=A0 It makes sense.=A0 It's not five hundred pe'a rafs= i long.=A0 And it's based on describing the idea instead of just emulat= ing the english.

On Mar 11, 2011 8:34 AM, "vensa" <<= a href=3D"mailto:seraviv@gmail.com">seraviv@gmail.com> wrote:
> OK, so here's my take on this whole issue:
&g= t;
> 1. As for "register", dict= ionary.com defines the noun "register" as
> firstly:> "a book in which records of acts, events, names, etc., are kept&= quot;
> and the verb "register" as firstly:
> "to enter o= r cause to be entered formally in a register".
> This causes me = to want "register" to be about "recording", i.e.
> {vreji}.
> And, what are you recording? The fact that you are a = member.
> So I propose:
> {cmirejgau}
> Defined as:
&g= t; da gasnu lonu zo'e vreji lodu'u da cmima de vau da di
> Or= :
> x1=3Dg1=3Dv3=3Dc1 registers as a member of x2=3Dc2, registration prese= rved in
> medium x3=3Dv4
>
>
> 2. As for "lo= g in/out". Obviously, these terms need to be somehow
> opposite = of each other. To do this, we might think to either use
> {to'e}, or oppositely defined gismu (such as the proposed {nenri} = and
> {bartu}). This might work if we want to stick with something si= mple
> like "Enter" and "Exit" (which is BTW how = most hebrew sites translate
> "log in/out").
> However, if we want to be more sophis= ticated, the {to'e} method
> becomes problematic, because the act= of logging in is not exactly
> opposite to the act of logging out. i= .e. When logging in you provide
> credentials to be recognized by, and when logging out you simply
&g= t; remove yourself. You don't "unprovide" those credentials.<= br>>
> That's why IMO we should focus here on defining the &q= uot;state" of being
> logged in, and use {co'a} and {co'u} as the "opposites&qu= ot; in the
> relation (as was recently suggested). Also, I think it w= ould be good
> to have some common link, between the word for "r= egister" and "logged
> in". So, IMO being logged in is about providing some kind of
&= gt; credentials (which incidentaly dont have do be a "name" persa= y (you
> might log in with a fingerprint)) that "make you famili= ar" to the site/
> system/group which you previously registered with.
> So, in conc= luson I propose:
> {cmisau}
> Defined as:
> da slabu de l= oka da cmima de vau di
> Or:
> x1=3Ds1=3Dc1 is logged in to x2= =3Ds2=3Dc2 by standard x3=3Ds4
>
> Effectively, "log in" and "log out" becom= e {co'arcmisau} and
> {co'urcmisau} respectively - or just {k= o co'a cmisau} and {ko co'u
> cmisau}
>
> On Mar= 10, 11:29=A0pm, Jonathan Jones <ey= eo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Logging in is a kind of identification or authentication, what can= e do with
>> that concept?
>>
>> Sent from my A= ndroid.
>>
>> On Mar 10, 2011 11:58 AM, ".arpis.&quo= t; <rpglover64+jbo...@g= mail.com> wrote:
>>
>> iesai
>>
>> I agree with {co'a b= roda}, although I think {mo'u broda} might be better for
>> lo= gging out (it's the natural end of one event of "being logged in&q= uot;, not
>> some interruption).
>>
>> I like the idea of {cm= ene} being in the lujvo, but I'm less sure of {zvati}.
>>
&= gt;> On Thu, Mar 10, 2011 at 12:28 PM, Pierre Abbat <p...@phma.optus.nu> wrote:
>>
>> > On Thursday 10 Marc...
>>
>> --=
>> mu'o mi'e .arpis.
>>
>> --
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