From lojban+bncCML0xpmUARDZ4InsBBoEX4KLmg@googlegroups.com Thu Mar 17 13:34:52 2011 Received: from mail-gw0-f61.google.com ([74.125.83.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Q0Ju9-0000Oe-L5; Thu, 17 Mar 2011 13:34:52 -0700 Received: by gwb11 with SMTP id 11sf2479892gwb.16 for ; Thu, 17 Mar 2011 13:34:39 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post :list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type; bh=sxuMs9KHltkSya8pk0zzWKnqoscpKoJtXF3LdWifUZs=; b=gHP4TQNeYnoCE29h/3IyF05LKD2ttpkBGCQkkFH3Rn1uVBqyHGYXL+q3cz900Libfb Oj4lehn0nPTov9A3mY2LWRC8O265eDHx41brhsH5bUX0/7FuUlI9DzX2GigXq2rW8vkE vI++yYVgaUQCKfburO1doM2kyfP1JXpYBXw94= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=p2eqYMmGGnSa3eO0o+OuJVZIcCDeR9pfebsPhw5EI8A66gvH8blhB6ZdbVVozuWNPr Kq6sq4spY51lcBZlfId7Ev7rabHJdL3cUhIDMRRFrQ0AsIbj8qvfBnkueiP51d9ZCMyn /bFX+K06BBidXcXLyczBppgv8wwKt6/Yi/G24= Received: by 10.151.17.5 with SMTP id u5mr71043ybi.77.1300394073417; Thu, 17 Mar 2011 13:34:33 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.150.26.8 with SMTP id 8ls2121236ybz.4.p; Thu, 17 Mar 2011 13:34:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.150.72.33 with SMTP id u33mr136690yba.24.1300394072526; Thu, 17 Mar 2011 13:34:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.150.72.33 with SMTP id u33mr136688yba.24.1300394072482; Thu, 17 Mar 2011 13:34:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-gx0-f182.google.com (mail-gx0-f182.google.com [209.85.161.182]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id v4si158650yba.3.2011.03.17.13.34.32 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 17 Mar 2011 13:34:32 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of blindbravado@gmail.com designates 209.85.161.182 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.161.182; Received: by mail-gx0-f182.google.com with SMTP id 28so1777397gxk.27 for ; Thu, 17 Mar 2011 13:34:32 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.150.72.33 with SMTP id u33mr324648yba.17.1300394072212; Thu, 17 Mar 2011 13:34:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.151.114.15 with HTTP; Thu, 17 Mar 2011 13:34:32 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <201103171235.31282.phma@phma.optus.nu> References: <201103171235.31282.phma@phma.optus.nu> Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 16:34:32 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] opposite of an extreme From: Ian Johnson To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: blindbravado@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of blindbravado@gmail.com designates 209.85.161.182 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=blindbravado@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000e0cd58e38be06b2049eb39689 --000e0cd58e38be06b2049eb39689 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable It'd be nice to be able to use something to take brivla that don't have "by standard xn" places and make a lujvo that has a place like that. For example, if we were going to make a lujvo for "modern", I think Pierre's example of "Modern English" suggests that it have a standard place. For example, we could coin {stana} to mean "x1 is a standard for x2". Not sure if we would want to fragment this depending on the epistemological context, but this would be an easy enough hack for the time being. mu'o mi'e .latros. On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 12:35 PM, Pierre Abbat wrote: > On Thursday 17 March 2011 01:13:52 Luke Bergen wrote: > > would you interpret {to'e tcepru} as {cabna} or {tcebalvi}? > > > > It sounds right that the opposite of "ancient past" is "very modern". > But > > it also seems like the present is a mid-point between the ancient past > and > > the distant future. So both {cabna} and {tcebalvi} seem like intuitive= ly > > good interpretations. > > I think {to'e tcepru} is equivalent to {tcebalvi}. > > What are good words for "modern"? Sometimes {cabna} isn't quite right. Fo= r > instance, Modern English has been spoken since around 1550, but no one > living > in Shakespeare's day could now be called {cabna}. > > Pierre > -- > When a barnacle settles down, its brain disintegrates. > J=E1 n=E3o percebe nada, j=E1 n=E3o percebe nada. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=3Den. > > --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den. --000e0cd58e38be06b2049eb39689 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable It'd be nice to be able to use something to take brivla that don't = have "by standard xn" places and make a lujvo that has a place li= ke that. For example, if we were going to make a lujvo for "modern&quo= t;, I think Pierre's example of "Modern English" suggests tha= t it have a standard place.

For example, we could coin {stana} to mean "x1 is a standard for x= 2". Not sure if we would want to fragment this depending on the episte= mological context, but this would be an easy enough hack for the time being= .

mu'o mi'e .latros.

On Thu, Ma= r 17, 2011 at 12:35 PM, Pierre Abbat <phma@phma.optus.nu> wrote:
On Thursday 17 March 2011 01:13:52 Luke Bergen wrote:
> would you interpret {to'e tcepru} as {cabna} or {tcebalvi}?
>
> It sounds right that the opposite of "ancient past" is "= ;very modern". =A0But
> it also seems like the present is a mid-point between the ancient past= and
> the distant future. =A0So both {cabna} and {tcebalvi} seem like intuit= ively
> good interpretations.

I think {to'e tcepru} is equivalent to {tcebalvi}.

What are good words for "modern"? Sometimes {cabna} isn't qui= te right. For
instance, Modern English has been spoken since around 1550, but no one livi= ng
in Shakespeare's day could now be called {cabna}.

Pierre
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J=E1 n=E3o percebe nada, j=E1 n=E3o percebe nada.

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