From lojban+bncCJbznvHdFRC18pHsBBoERnWPHw@googlegroups.com Sat Mar 19 02:37:09 2011 Received: from mail-fx0-f61.google.com ([209.85.161.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Q0sao-0004e9-2x; Sat, 19 Mar 2011 02:37:09 -0700 Received: by fxm14 with SMTP id 14sf3065498fxm.16 for ; Sat, 19 Mar 2011 02:36:59 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version :in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post :list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type; bh=yPrLMr1TEG5BjLi9PNWakChfObD+oBl4KXD/cMldiFM=; b=rl+pyvue/BvCiTQKvyOEQO9m7LrP4rsqvcodAWhcCffrPG/KXLsTNjAtYsW31+s8xm ZW0WiE7tKa6amBLo6Kxfj7/sq6OLURlePQsxcWE5w1pAGrRfucuaBwrX3wktRY2n2N+d lpaqfIs6VAAKBnhwapqpafPblZHZkHJ7eQJ1c= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from :date:message-id:subject:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=wmx7L7iZkfDR2hRbIhqgLLhyDQYVrKixOKfj9xNRR8i1Ta2y0lkzBr3cSEfMmPzt2h VyEh/0suQnghUnglYGuvhjgcMMRUKBPKhla26LvXx9xAehGmwnfAtTEKLdVHxK/1HkLN Ot+JkxJ+m5/CI3VW/pQ0zSJ1i5mU+m2O6GspY= Received: by 10.223.121.83 with SMTP id g19mr254869far.48.1300527413802; Sat, 19 Mar 2011 02:36:53 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.204.75.35 with SMTP id w35ls2147873bkj.3.p; Sat, 19 Mar 2011 02:36:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.163.193 with SMTP id b1mr247565bky.13.1300527412506; Sat, 19 Mar 2011 02:36:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.163.193 with SMTP id b1mr247564bky.13.1300527412474; Sat, 19 Mar 2011 02:36:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-fx0-f47.google.com (mail-fx0-f47.google.com [209.85.161.47]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id o17si696955bkw.6.2011.03.19.02.36.51 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sat, 19 Mar 2011 02:36:51 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of lytlesw@gmail.com designates 209.85.161.47 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.161.47; Received: by fxm19 with SMTP id 19so4124178fxm.20 for ; Sat, 19 Mar 2011 02:36:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.223.56.220 with SMTP id z28mr2389233fag.11.1300527411107; Sat, 19 Mar 2011 02:36:51 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.223.74.198 with HTTP; Sat, 19 Mar 2011 02:36:31 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <201103171235.31282.phma@phma.optus.nu> From: MorphemeAddict Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2011 05:36:31 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] opposite of an extreme To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: lytlesw@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of lytlesw@gmail.com designates 209.85.161.47 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=lytlesw@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0015174794aa5c1976049ed2a289 --0015174794aa5c1976049ed2a289 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable More to the point might be a BAI or other way to just add such a place to a= n existing brivla. stevo On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 4:34 PM, Ian Johnson wrote= : > It'd be nice to be able to use something to take brivla that don't have "= by > standard xn" places and make a lujvo that has a place like that. For > example, if we were going to make a lujvo for "modern", I think Pierre's > example of "Modern English" suggests that it have a standard place. > > For example, we could coin {stana} to mean "x1 is a standard for x2". Not > sure if we would want to fragment this depending on the epistemological > context, but this would be an easy enough hack for the time being. > > mu'o mi'e .latros. > > > On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 12:35 PM, Pierre Abbat wrote= : > >> On Thursday 17 March 2011 01:13:52 Luke Bergen wrote: >> > would you interpret {to'e tcepru} as {cabna} or {tcebalvi}? >> > >> > It sounds right that the opposite of "ancient past" is "very modern". >> But >> > it also seems like the present is a mid-point between the ancient past >> and >> > the distant future. So both {cabna} and {tcebalvi} seem like >> intuitively >> > good interpretations. >> >> I think {to'e tcepru} is equivalent to {tcebalvi}. >> >> What are good words for "modern"? Sometimes {cabna} isn't quite right. F= or >> instance, Modern English has been spoken since around 1550, but no one >> living >> in Shakespeare's day could now be called {cabna}. >> >> Pierre >> -- >> When a barnacle settles down, its brain disintegrates. >> J=E1 n=E3o percebe nada, j=E1 n=E3o percebe nada. >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Group= s >> "lojban" group. >> To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=3Den. >> >> > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=3Den. > --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. 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More to the point might be a BAI or other way to just add such a place= to an existing brivla.
stevo
On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 4:34 PM, Ian Johnson <blindbravado@g= mail.com> wrote:
It'd be nice to be able to u= se something to take brivla that don't have "by standard xn" = places and make a lujvo that has a place like that. For example, if we were= going to make a lujvo for "modern", I think Pierre's example= of "Modern English" suggests that it have a standard place.

For example, we could coin {stana} to mean "x1 is a standard for x= 2". Not sure if we would want to fragment this depending on the episte= mological context, but this would be an easy enough hack for the time being= .

mu'o mi'e .latros.=20


On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 12:35 PM, Pierre Abbat <= span dir=3D"ltr"><phma@phma.optus.nu> wrote:
On Thursday 17 March 2011 01:13:52 Luke Bergen wrote:
> would yo= u interpret {to'e tcepru} as {cabna} or {tcebalvi}?
>
> It = sounds right that the opposite of "ancient past" is "very mo= dern". =A0But
> it also seems like the present is a mid-point between the ancient past= and
> the distant future. =A0So both {cabna} and {tcebalvi} seem lik= e intuitively
> good interpretations.

I think {to'e = tcepru} is equivalent to {tcebalvi}.

What are good words for "modern"? Sometimes {cabna} isn't= quite right. For
instance, Modern English has been spoken since around = 1550, but no one living
in Shakespeare's day could now be called {ca= bna}.

Pierre
--
When a barnacle settles down, i= ts brain disintegrates.
J=E1 n=E3o percebe nada, j=E1 n=E3o percebe nada= .

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