From lojban+bncCK30vq5WEL6ClOwEGgQ8TwT8@googlegroups.com Sat Mar 19 12:17:35 2011 Received: from mail-pz0-f61.google.com ([209.85.210.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Q11eU-0007TQ-IE; Sat, 19 Mar 2011 12:17:35 -0700 Received: by pzk35 with SMTP id 35sf1028624pzk.16 for ; Sat, 19 Mar 2011 12:17:24 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:x-beenthere:received-spf:date:from:to:subject :message-id:mail-followup-to:mime-version:user-agent :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post :list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type:content-disposition:content-transfer-encoding; bh=DXBshyBcclzfQjVcNKTBwfxQ741QJLwLemImSP1TBWo=; b=ChV+ETzvV4klfRdZzRt/oE0ueaCmFWehY/vhN1dmWUec8C2eIPaxgwW39TQnxOhk+m 2XcIsx7YKnf8KHXOmOLFrXPxxjdwCSGArq+4DIcyeCJ7NzaszZEJ38ILgGubz5g7Asoq JR879PKKDGnb5RoL87XdPj8MCqqvk1YIL4W64= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:date:from:to:subject:message-id :mail-followup-to:mime-version:user-agent:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-disposition :content-transfer-encoding; b=smFqC+blOZd0wOJMAhrMUq71cV8v3LMwgDV94ULlr2vv7kbivFamAghGhpuTM+PDHC V8jzUXdCeShJSmWRTsYceHV6xEbBbrGvu5j4v3TCWstrbeJ1nDkNigXDp60HRuLN7cyF nbceyugwzt1vzGpqAk4AOe3Fd3A5hyIUXWX8A= Received: by 10.142.60.14 with SMTP id i14mr127398wfa.11.1300562238909; Sat, 19 Mar 2011 12:17:18 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.142.156.18 with SMTP id d18ls4267305wfe.3.p; Sat, 19 Mar 2011 12:17:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.142.207.12 with SMTP id e12mr539793wfg.43.1300562238097; Sat, 19 Mar 2011 12:17:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.142.207.12 with SMTP id e12mr539792wfg.43.1300562237939; Sat, 19 Mar 2011 12:17:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org (digitalkingdom.org [173.13.139.234]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id k41si3741458wfa.3.2011.03.19.12.17.16 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sat, 19 Mar 2011 12:17:16 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of nobody@digitalkingdom.org designates 173.13.139.234 as permitted sender) client-ip=173.13.139.234; Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Q11eF-0007T3-EN for lojban@googlegroups.com; Sat, 19 Mar 2011 12:17:15 -0700 Received: from rlpowell by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Q11eF-0007Ss-5J for lojban-list@lojban.org; Sat, 19 Mar 2011 12:17:15 -0700 Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2011 12:17:15 -0700 From: Robin Lee Powell To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] Anyone remember what lerfu strings are actually *for*? Message-ID: <20110319191714.GO17248@digitalkingdom.org> Mail-Followup-To: lojban-list@lojban.org MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) X-Original-Sender: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of nobody@digitalkingdom.org designates 173.13.139.234 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=nobody@digitalkingdom.org Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Someone tried to do: rlpowell@chain> echo "panzi be ny ci mei" | camxes text BRIVLA gismu: panzi This doesn't work because it needs boi: rlpowell@chain> echo "panzi be ny boi ci mei" | camxes =20 text selbri3 |- tanruUnit1 | |- BRIVLA | | gismu: panzi | |- linkargs1 | |- CMAVO | | BE: be | |- sumti6 | |- CMAVO | | BY: ny | |- CMAVO | BOI: boi |- tanruUnit2 |- CMAVO | PA: ci |- CMAVO MOI: mei Why is that? Because otherwise it forms a "lerfu string". rlpowell@chain> echo "panzi be ny ci" | camxes text tanruUnit1 |- BRIVLA | gismu: panzi |- linkargs1 |- CMAVO | BE: be |- lerfuString |- CMAVO | BY: ny |- CMAVO PA: ci Which is useful for ... I dunno, reading out license plates? -_- Does anyone remember why this is a fundamental type? I'm guessing "complicated mekso shit", but I can't even think of any examples there. All the grammatical productions that use it: sumti-6 <- ZO-clause free* / ZOI-clause free* / LOhU-clause free* / lerfu= -string !MOI-clause BOI-clause? free* / LU-clause text LIhU-clause? free* /= (LAhE-clause free* / NAhE-clause BO-clause free*) relative-clauses? sumti = LUhU-clause? free* / KOhA-clause free* / LA-clause free* relative-clauses? = CMENE-clause+ free* / (LA-clause / LE-clause) free* sumti-tail KU-clause? f= ree* / li-clause =20 tanru-unit-2 <- BRIVLA-clause free* / GOhA-clause RAhO-clause? free* / KE= -clause free* selbri-3 KEhE-clause? free* / ME-clause free* (sumti / lerfu-= string) MEhU-clause? free* MOI-clause? free* / (number / lerfu-string) MOI-= clause free* / NUhA-clause free* mex-operator / SE-clause free* tanru-unit-= 2 / JAI-clause free* tag? tanru-unit-2 / NAhE-clause free* tanru-unit-2 / N= U-clause NAI-clause? free* (joik-jek NU-clause NAI-clause? free*)* subsente= nce KEI-clause? free* =20 operand-3 <- quantifier / lerfu-string !MOI-clause BOI-clause? free* / NI= hE-clause free* selbri TEhU-clause? free* / MOhE-clause free* sumti TEhU-cl= ause? free* / JOhI-clause free* mex-2+ TEhU-clause? free* / gek operand gik= operand-3 / (LAhE-clause free* / NAhE-clause BO-clause free*) operand LUhU= -clause? free* =20 lerfu-string <- lerfu-word (PA-clause / lerfu-word)* =20 ; ** BU clauses are part of BY-clause lerfu-word <- BY-clause / LAU-clause lerfu-word / TEI-clause lerfu-string= FOI-clause =20 free <- SEI-clause free* (terms CU-clause? free*)? selbri SEhU-clause? / = SOI-clause free* sumti sumti? SEhU-clause? / vocative relative-clauses? sel= bri relative-clauses? DOhU-clause? / vocative relative-clauses? CMENE-claus= e+ free* relative-clauses? DOhU-clause? / vocative sumti? DOhU-clause? / (n= umber / lerfu-string) MAI-clause / TO-clause text TOI-clause? / xi-clause =20 xi-clause <- XI-clause free* (number / lerfu-string) BOI-clause? / XI-cla= use free* VEI-clause free* mex VEhO-clause? The xi stuff is particularily 0.o -Robin --=20 http://singinst.org/ : Our last, best hope for a fantastic future. Lojban (http://www.lojban.org/): The language in which "this parrot is dead" is "ti poi spitaki cu morsi", but "this sentence is false" is "na nei". My personal page: http://www.digitalkingdom.org/rlp/ --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. 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