From lojban+bncCJ2UzZHuDRCcjpTsBBoEWct4oQ@googlegroups.com Sat Mar 19 12:42:41 2011 Received: from mail-ww0-f61.google.com ([74.125.82.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Q122i-00072n-Pp; Sat, 19 Mar 2011 12:42:36 -0700 Received: by wwb13 with SMTP id 13sf5294224wwb.16 for ; Sat, 19 Mar 2011 12:42:26 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post :list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=bFy6ieU6AMsswG8s+jp2RJOYgOgUSiuZWN2KzNOKVnI=; b=yh7Pu29VphEBE7rrSlGbxIBGLnguP47MKYGqYIfykJK4QpCx5sJZAf909QwbhfJN+W j0qc08X1T4Y81dxd/2bqB+Txwvzxf6D7cvZs3rq7iFmbrjP8IHYCpRovtaygx9WZ6peS UJgVPrOUKTmxQfCHC2neZq8PZECf8KbrQii/w= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=Czzo70k5w1iHet3REZAd6l6AW47I9gD1lrQw5vW2kNgHkrEoHClA5nWzwjTrBR14+6 5lHrCiXqzvbi3ZHmXfdonGm7J0O96UUirTZjJlaJ1ZNY5YWbgAERBjsyUQ/+Db8nfibG NvH84jsZKmbItuQvYeaf9yWi+W/fCS/IrTCr8= Received: by 10.216.73.74 with SMTP id u52mr723366wed.16.1300563740484; Sat, 19 Mar 2011 12:42:20 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.216.159.17 with SMTP id r17ls2133073wek.1.p; Sat, 19 Mar 2011 12:42:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.144.141 with SMTP id n13mr160980wej.9.1300563739384; Sat, 19 Mar 2011 12:42:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.144.141 with SMTP id n13mr160979wej.9.1300563739319; Sat, 19 Mar 2011 12:42:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-ww0-f53.google.com (mail-ww0-f53.google.com [74.125.82.53]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id g44si643569wej.14.2011.03.19.12.42.18 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sat, 19 Mar 2011 12:42:18 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 74.125.82.53 as permitted sender) client-ip=74.125.82.53; Received: by wwj40 with SMTP id 40so4892539wwj.22 for ; Sat, 19 Mar 2011 12:42:18 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.227.153.152 with SMTP id k24mr2523116wbw.3.1300563738097; Sat, 19 Mar 2011 12:42:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.227.147.13 with HTTP; Sat, 19 Mar 2011 12:42:17 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20110319191714.GO17248@digitalkingdom.org> References: <20110319191714.GO17248@digitalkingdom.org> Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2011 16:42:17 -0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Anyone remember what lerfu strings are actually *for*? From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: jjllambias@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 74.125.82.53 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=jjllambias@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sat, Mar 19, 2011 at 4:17 PM, Robin Lee Powell wrote: > > Does anyone remember why this is a fundamental type? =A0I'm guessing > "complicated mekso shit", but I can't even think of any examples > there. lerfu strings have the same uses as single lerfu, basically as pronouns: For example "by fy" for "la baupla fuzykamni", or "fy by .ibu" for FBI. The real problem is not lerfu strings but allowing numerals to mix with lerfu strings, which causes unwanted fails like the one you found in "panzi be ny ci mei". In the relatively rare cases where you do need to include a numeral in an acronym this could be done with the lerfu "pa bu", "re bu", "ci bu", etc. so you could do ".ubu rebu" if you wanted to translate "U2" as an acronym. See "number and lerfu-string" in http://www.lojban.org/tiki/zasni+gerna+cenba+vreji mu'o mi'e xorxes --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den.