From lojban+bncCOjSjrXVGBDytZTsBBoEW55usw@googlegroups.com Sat Mar 19 14:07:15 2011 Received: from mail-gy0-f189.google.com ([209.85.160.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Q13Mc-0006Ie-WC; Sat, 19 Mar 2011 14:07:14 -0700 Received: by gyf1 with SMTP id 1sf4262568gyf.16 for ; Sat, 19 Mar 2011 14:07:04 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post :list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type; bh=iRXwEtEtaHb5zLpZyy7qTSXmcQgPjIDekYu4t/y99ls=; b=nFCCAFg4KEdLCKV/W2kXqwbB9Wl8rCYP1jPpG/eWJfa+ri3YGLQfjwSg8oltFh3wg1 teEhjNdnmQi40Qum7Q7KDjQudxz0eqmugMEBN6Rz22+Mjeq74NCc2fkNiJ3szF0t2i0e NML+vanIuw6gknOMtvENO5ut63+VCXKelopjw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=dZNl9xyWe3xneD0nyw4astPWldU4Lpuu8XfzWMxxqjKtq6SQYyjaJLEgIMcixiPgZK emmxkDnYUP5m1rw7f9qxt0Vb5S1i8yPXwOJOyLqjEcd9nSZrIsAXjrhCbGsaDkyxzmAq xx7xev0HaVorsnE6dfypEOMwNnWOA+FO8PyaM= Received: by 10.100.103.19 with SMTP id a19mr351152anc.22.1300568819002; Sat, 19 Mar 2011 14:06:59 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.231.176.157 with SMTP id be29ls787576ibb.1.p; Sat, 19 Mar 2011 14:06:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.42.49.199 with SMTP id x7mr362955icf.65.1300568817357; Sat, 19 Mar 2011 14:06:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.42.49.199 with SMTP id x7mr362954icf.65.1300568817343; Sat, 19 Mar 2011 14:06:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-iy0-f181.google.com (mail-iy0-f181.google.com [209.85.210.181]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id c4si1257336ict.0.2011.03.19.14.06.57 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sat, 19 Mar 2011 14:06:57 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of lukeabergen@gmail.com designates 209.85.210.181 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.210.181; Received: by mail-iy0-f181.google.com with SMTP id 26so5522225iyb.26 for ; Sat, 19 Mar 2011 14:06:57 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.231.185.146 with SMTP id co18mr2389273ibb.196.1300568817182; Sat, 19 Mar 2011 14:06:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.206.207 with HTTP; Sat, 19 Mar 2011 14:06:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.206.207 with HTTP; Sat, 19 Mar 2011 14:06:57 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20110319203602.GP17248@digitalkingdom.org> References: <20110319191714.GO17248@digitalkingdom.org> <20110319203602.GP17248@digitalkingdom.org> Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2011 17:06:57 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Anyone remember what lerfu strings are actually *for*? From: Luke Bergen To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: lukeabergen@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of lukeabergen@gmail.com designates 209.85.210.181 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=lukeabergen@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=005045013d975aa812049edc46b2 --005045013d975aa812049edc46b2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Where would the jbocecmu be without you xorxes. Are there any current dates or plans for a V2 of lojban? i.e. a vote and acceptance by the byfy of all the changes proposals out there. A final vot= e on all the existing proposals seems like it would be a significant enough set of changes that a second eddition of the CLL and maybe even a second freeze period was warranted, no? On Mar 19, 2011 4:36 PM, "Robin Lee Powell" wrote: > On Sat, Mar 19, 2011 at 04:42:17PM -0300, Jorge Llamb=EDas wrote: >> On Sat, Mar 19, 2011 at 4:17 PM, Robin Lee Powell >> wrote: >> > >> > Does anyone remember why this is a fundamental type? I'm >> > guessing "complicated mekso shit", but I can't even think of any >> > examples there. >> >> lerfu strings have the same uses as single lerfu, basically as >> pronouns: For example "by fy" for "la baupla fuzykamni", or "fy by >> .ibu" for FBI. >> >> The real problem is not lerfu strings but allowing numerals to mix >> with lerfu strings, > > Yes, sorry, that's what I meant. > >> which causes unwanted fails like the one you found in "panzi be ny >> ci mei". In the relatively rare cases where you do need to include >> a numeral in an acronym this could be done with the lerfu "pa bu", >> "re bu", "ci bu", etc. so you could do ".ubu rebu" if you wanted >> to translate "U2" as an acronym. >> >> See "number and lerfu-string" in >> http://www.lojban.org/tiki/zasni+gerna+cenba+vreji > > Great, thanks. > > -Robin > > -- > http://singinst.org/ : Our last, best hope for a fantastic future. > Lojban (http://www.lojban.org/): The language in which "this parrot > is dead" is "ti poi spitaki cu morsi", but "this sentence is false" > is "na nei". My personal page: http://www.digitalkingdom.org/rlp/ > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=3Den. > --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den. --005045013d975aa812049edc46b2 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Where would the jbocecmu be without you xorxes.

Are there any current dates or plans for a V2 of lojban?=A0 i.e. a vote = and acceptance by the byfy of all the changes proposals out there.=A0 A fin= al vote on all the existing proposals seems like it would be a significant = enough set of changes that a second eddition of the CLL and maybe even a se= cond freeze period was warranted, no?

On Mar 19, 2011 4:36 PM, "Robin Lee Powell&= quot; <rlpowell@digitalki= ngdom.org> wrote:
> On Sat, Mar 19, 2011 = at 04:42:17PM -0300, Jorge Llamb=EDas wrote:
>> On Sat, Mar 19, 2011 at 4:17 PM, Robin Lee Powell
>> <= rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org<= /a>> wrote:
>> >
>> > Does anyone remember why t= his is a fundamental type? =A0I'm
>> > guessing "complicated mekso shit", but I can't = even think of any
>> > examples there.
>>
>>= lerfu strings have the same uses as single lerfu, basically as
>>= pronouns: For example "by fy" for "la baupla fuzykamni"= ;, or "fy by
>> .ibu" for FBI.
>>
>> The real problem is n= ot lerfu strings but allowing numerals to mix
>> with lerfu string= s,
>
> Yes, sorry, that's what I meant.
>
>&= gt; which causes unwanted fails like the one you found in "panzi be ny=
>> ci mei". In the relatively rare cases where you do need to in= clude
>> a numeral in an acronym this could be done with the lerfu= "pa bu",
>> "re bu", "ci bu", etc. = so you could do ".ubu rebu" if you wanted
>> to translate "U2" as an acronym.
>>
>>= ; See "number and lerfu-string" in
>> http://www.lojban.org/tiki/zas= ni+gerna+cenba+vreji
>
> Great, thanks.
>
> -Robin
>
> -- > http://singinst.org/ : Our las= t, best hope for a fantastic future.
> Lojban (http://www.lojban.org/): The language in which "this = parrot
> is dead" is "ti poi spitaki cu morsi", but "this s= entence is false"
> is "na nei". My personal page: <= a href=3D"http://www.digitalkingdom.org/rlp/">http://www.digitalkingdom.org= /rlp/
>
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