From lojban+bncCNTPpI2KGxCPjZXsBBoE0dTgTQ@googlegroups.com Sat Mar 19 17:13:18 2011 Received: from mail-qy0-f189.google.com ([209.85.216.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Q16Gh-0003G6-Fi; Sat, 19 Mar 2011 17:13:18 -0700 Received: by qyk36 with SMTP id 36sf8693257qyk.16 for ; Sat, 19 Mar 2011 17:13:09 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:x-beenthere:received-spf:x-authority-analysis :x-cloudmark-score:x-originating-ip:from:to:subject:date:user-agent :references:in-reply-to:mime-version:message-id:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; bh=gJMmwWADTTApInQ7z9U8KFEtHiIVXPFYOafuoZPpXtw=; b=F8OHTEVZGeZn6E9sV7HaFB+mYS7HXGlAwcgc3oFwbNs6svkFlFTKRQd4MCa3GenDSk hzPRysER8FO8vHKlsMldrOgGZjJzNU4DLIh+ry+aJGGEIwOgQjl+XnorXCfv1/uA4s96 RwpnzB+ln1qYkhl6EgZrTT2QJ44E8mM62jJaI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:x-authority-analysis:x-cloudmark-score :x-originating-ip:from:to:subject:date:user-agent:references :in-reply-to:mime-version:message-id:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=oq0lhdViUVWXHWI8670BqA9F2FQ8ZJ8+ebEFPUFLQxaZA6LNu98n80zTj7Tg1OT62P NP9clOMZ3/BmmWw4qd8bIBDE6Sa9YdAKFTgExPadRYO9r4Tj2rYWnAeNWMVXFyxI8QV/ znpo6rYatz0QOvUV4hcF9AR5L5OszyF+DYSPI= Received: by 10.229.36.80 with SMTP id s16mr398978qcd.4.1300579983698; Sat, 19 Mar 2011 17:13:03 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.229.204.201 with SMTP id fn9ls967992qcb.3.p; Sat, 19 Mar 2011 17:13:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.229.102.211 with SMTP id h19mr179068qco.9.1300579982933; Sat, 19 Mar 2011 17:13:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.229.102.211 with SMTP id h19mr179067qco.9.1300579982890; Sat, 19 Mar 2011 17:13:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id w19si175752qco.11.2011.03.19.17.13.01; Sat, 19 Mar 2011 17:13:01 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 75.180.132.120 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@phma.optus.nu) client-ip=75.180.132.120; X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=ToWar1fa9ljTHbeJIRNQycBnYxCRNi5M/11QAwRcJ6A= c=1 sm=0 a=6ti_TD8eFm8A:10 a=1FP-aU4QvzsA:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=9o99xeNKNPYSmM5t9x5+TQ==:17 a=Kr_t_bjEdfjZ79FSq6oA:9 a=RDhriD-2JbaZl8uj4MY_E7Kcw1YA:4 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=fP6Ch1G16O6V64mg:21 a=NXixA07pyO_amqPA:21 a=9o99xeNKNPYSmM5t9x5+TQ==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Originating-IP: 75.176.118.168 Received: from [75.176.118.168] ([75.176.118.168:52200] helo=chausie) by cdptpa-oedge04.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 08/28-29678-C86458D4; Sun, 20 Mar 2011 00:13:01 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by chausie (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24FE76333 for ; Sat, 19 Mar 2011 20:13:00 -0400 (EDT) From: Pierre Abbat To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] Anyone remember what lerfu strings are actually *for*? Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2011 20:12:55 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.6 (enterprise 0.20070907.709405) References: <20110319191714.GO17248@digitalkingdom.org> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <201103192012.57005.phma@phma.optus.nu> X-Original-Sender: phma@phma.optus.nu X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 75.180.132.120 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@phma.optus.nu) smtp.mail=phma@phma.optus.nu Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline On Saturday 19 March 2011 15:42:17 Jorge Llamb=EDas wrote: > The real problem is not lerfu strings but allowing numerals to mix > with lerfu strings, which causes unwanted fails like the one you found > in "panzi be ny ci mei". In the relatively rare cases where you do > need to include a numeral in an acronym this could be done with the > lerfu "pa bu", "re bu", "ci bu", etc. so you could do ".ubu rebu" if > you wanted to translate "U2" as an acronym. I think mixing letters and numerals should continue to be allowed. A string= of=20 letters or numbers is quite common, such as VINs. Currently such a string c= an=20 be stated by saying "me'o" followed by the lervla ja nacyvla and, if=20 needed, "boi" at the end, regardless of whether the first character is a=20 numeral or not (which makes a difference if it's used as a quantifier rathe= r=20 than preceded by "me'o"). A couple of notes: 1. words like "rau" can also be used in lervla strings though they don't=20 correspond to any letter. 2. the "a" and "c" in 2001:0:53aa:64c:: (a Teredo IPv6 address) are not abu= =20 and cy. That is li renonopa pi'e no pi'e mucidaudau pi'e xavogai pi'epi'e. = If=20 we adopt the convention that "ki'o" in hex means powers of 65536, it's also= =20 the same with "ki'o" instead of "pi'e", but it has to end with four "ki'o". 3. "li" usually does not make sense with mixed letter-number strings,=20 but "me'o" does. Pierre --=20 La sal en el mar es m=E1s que en la sangre. Le sel dans la mer est plus que dans le sang. --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den.