From lojban+bncCML0xpmUARDRg5jsBBoE__hKJA@googlegroups.com Sun Mar 20 06:32:23 2011 Received: from mail-wy0-f189.google.com ([74.125.82.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Q1Iju-0001BR-5L; Sun, 20 Mar 2011 06:32:22 -0700 Received: by wya21 with SMTP id 21sf5686691wya.16 for ; Sun, 20 Mar 2011 06:32:07 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post :list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type; bh=cm/na3fwi+fHi9P0OmPeuNJoF5/MBcG/0D4HMu8TbtU=; b=qrzSoc50YZPqAnulFBK77zxwmf+0/nOzjP7EuKqpba1kAQMdwa4SA1WQE1S9dzm8Gr Nh8MKtATFb8Kl/s1E8cxaylK5kdJbCkFd9vofCKhB4tAUbQhkXas8P9dUJ+/GJv70/62 XZNSi7LqdNIDHpns8pqgBFrqmifSQZN1TaxOM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=Fv391lxTH2leriEGjkE8k2SkiIQtIR1yIgefPHePVWjHAf027X5n0ocQorGZ8mJOdG FLc2Wv/P7VFlfQzizTSgHFPAPe8J99OG1gK+LLkYrtP7FEkZcA3j5su76/Go1gq3ROMx GXGxG01OapQJZAuWHaGAkNwqqEpaBL4BaFJTQ= Received: by 10.216.73.74 with SMTP id u52mr871795wed.16.1300627921900; Sun, 20 Mar 2011 06:32:01 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.216.213.147 with SMTP id a19ls2287956wep.2.p; Sun, 20 Mar 2011 06:32:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.179.79 with SMTP id g57mr254534wem.12.1300627920966; Sun, 20 Mar 2011 06:32:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.179.79 with SMTP id g57mr254533wem.12.1300627920925; Sun, 20 Mar 2011 06:32:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-wy0-f175.google.com (mail-wy0-f175.google.com [74.125.82.175]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id h14si684312wer.13.2011.03.20.06.31.59 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 20 Mar 2011 06:31:59 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of blindbravado@gmail.com designates 74.125.82.175 as permitted sender) client-ip=74.125.82.175; Received: by wyb40 with SMTP id 40so4712080wyb.6 for ; Sun, 20 Mar 2011 06:31:59 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.170.213 with SMTP id p63mr4283946wel.37.1300627919662; Sun, 20 Mar 2011 06:31:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.2.147 with HTTP; Sun, 20 Mar 2011 06:31:59 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20110320025539.GU17248@digitalkingdom.org> References: <20110319191714.GO17248@digitalkingdom.org> <201103192012.57005.phma@phma.optus.nu> <20110320001947.GR17248@digitalkingdom.org> <201103192252.36066.phma@phma.optus.nu> <20110320025539.GU17248@digitalkingdom.org> Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2011 09:31:59 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Anyone remember what lerfu strings are actually *for*? From: Ian Johnson To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: blindbravado@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of blindbravado@gmail.com designates 74.125.82.175 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=blindbravado@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016363ba66622ef89049eea0934 --0016363ba66622ef89049eea0934 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Only problem with this argument is that afaict it winds up requiring a lot of {bu} when it requires any (Pierre's example winds up being {re bu bi bu .abu}), whereas {panzi be ny ci mei} is fixed by just one terminator. But then, the problem with {panzi be ny ci mei} is that you get in a habit of thinking of BY strings as being like KOhA, and ending when the lerfu end or when boi appears...and then you're wrong, because what you thought were BY strings are actually BY-and/or-PA strings. Which seems rather opposite to the whole "regular" thing. (Even though it actually is regular, it doesn't *feel* regular at all; does that count for anything?) mu'o mi'e .latros. On Sat, Mar 19, 2011 at 10:55 PM, Robin Lee Powell < rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org> wrote: > On Sat, Mar 19, 2011 at 10:52:33PM -0400, Pierre Abbat wrote: > > On Saturday 19 March 2011 20:19:47 Robin Lee Powell wrote: > > > This comes up regularily in conversation for you? *Seriously*? > > > So much so that adding {bu} is a heavy-handed restriction? I > > > don't believe you. > > > > Just last week > > Exactly. > > -Robin > > -- > http://singinst.org/ : Our last, best hope for a fantastic future. > Lojban (http://www.lojban.org/): The language in which "this parrot > is dead" is "ti poi spitaki cu morsi", but "this sentence is false" > is "na nei". My personal page: http://www.digitalkingdom.org/rlp/ > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. --0016363ba66622ef89049eea0934 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Only problem with this argument is that afaict it winds up requiring a lot = of {bu} when it requires any (Pierre's example winds up being {re bu bi= bu .abu}), whereas {panzi be ny ci mei} is fixed by just one terminator. B= ut then, the problem with {panzi be ny ci mei} is that you get in a habit o= f thinking of BY strings as being like KOhA, and ending when the lerfu end = or when boi appears...and then you're wrong, because what you thought w= ere BY strings are actually BY-and/or-PA strings. Which seems rather opposi= te to the whole "regular" thing. (Even though it actually is regu= lar, it doesn't *feel* regular at all; does that count for anything?)
mu'o mi'e .latros.

On Sat, Ma= r 19, 2011 at 10:55 PM, Robin Lee Powell <rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org> wrote:
On Sat, Mar 19, 2011 at 10:52:33PM -0400, Pierre Abbat wrote:
> On Saturday 19 March 2011 20:19:47 Robin Lee Powell wrote:
> > This comes up regularily in conversation for you? =A0*Seriously*?=
> > So much so that adding {bu} is a heavy-handed restriction? =A0I > > don't believe you.
>
> Just last week

Exactly.

-Robin

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