From lojban+bncCK30vq5WEJ2FmewEGgQb5CiI@googlegroups.com Sun Mar 20 11:08:45 2011 Received: from mail-pv0-f189.google.com ([74.125.83.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Q1N3R-00067C-LQ; Sun, 20 Mar 2011 11:08:45 -0700 Received: by pvc22 with SMTP id 22sf1207845pvc.16 for ; Sun, 20 Mar 2011 11:08:35 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:x-beenthere:received-spf:date:from:to:subject :message-id:references:mime-version:in-reply-to:user-agent :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post :list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type:content-disposition; bh=H/Oh78yewX06tUwNnvhx4olIigWjTKSIsNezELUcWpU=; b=5VodYqA32ht63RkTOv5Xx6Yi25EAWcaMUyNnYtZGq6XbnqLOyEgy/C3MeS3iiY4nr7 zDsG5lV35iVsosl9NBowIsH0R8NUozVcGNhKq53mOG7xXRzWBQNQzRXSBUK2uOeJTo7q aalq06jya6YltszuCUa2UZNQ/t+ajM2VzXKCA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:date:from:to:subject:message-id:references :mime-version:in-reply-to:user-agent:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-disposition; b=5ji/4TPLmCglubp1mnMTuftuqFePnC0o9y7ef8w96J2Ni914ddw2JJ9bR13seLzCd7 KgveSaGCuIh0hZlk8D0hvrkhogb5KI+9PvouxnHDeN5/kzAE195Gz0hgRvYnpwtwE2nS PMrgPOTqrS6F21ucmd+PWEoUHj3pT5n1EJBkA= Received: by 10.142.231.14 with SMTP id d14mr186142wfh.46.1300644509941; Sun, 20 Mar 2011 11:08:29 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.142.156.18 with SMTP id d18ls4984006wfe.3.p; Sun, 20 Mar 2011 11:08:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.142.194.13 with SMTP id r13mr892779wff.16.1300644509169; Sun, 20 Mar 2011 11:08:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.142.194.13 with SMTP id r13mr892778wff.16.1300644509136; Sun, 20 Mar 2011 11:08:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org (digitalkingdom.org [173.13.139.234]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id x35si4741279wfd.0.2011.03.20.11.08.28 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 20 Mar 2011 11:08:28 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org designates 173.13.139.234 as permitted sender) client-ip=173.13.139.234; Received: from rlpowell by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Q1N3D-000670-Fx for lojban@googlegroups.com; Sun, 20 Mar 2011 11:08:27 -0700 Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2011 11:08:27 -0700 From: Robin Lee Powell To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] Anyone remember what lerfu strings are actually *for*? Message-ID: <20110320180827.GX17248@digitalkingdom.org> References: <20110319191714.GO17248@digitalkingdom.org> <201103192012.57005.phma@phma.optus.nu> <20110320001947.GR17248@digitalkingdom.org> <201103192252.36066.phma@phma.optus.nu> <20110320025539.GU17248@digitalkingdom.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) X-Original-Sender: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org designates 173.13.139.234 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Yes, it is much more the violation of least-surprise that bothers me, rather than the needed terminator. -Robin On Sun, Mar 20, 2011 at 09:31:59AM -0400, Ian Johnson wrote: > Only problem with this argument is that afaict it winds up requiring a lot > of {bu} when it requires any (Pierre's example winds up being {re bu bi bu > .abu}), whereas {panzi be ny ci mei} is fixed by just one terminator. But > then, the problem with {panzi be ny ci mei} is that you get in a habit of > thinking of BY strings as being like KOhA, and ending when the lerfu end or > when boi appears...and then you're wrong, because what you thought were BY > strings are actually BY-and/or-PA strings. Which seems rather opposite to > the whole "regular" thing. (Even though it actually is regular, it doesn't > *feel* regular at all; does that count for anything?) > > mu'o mi'e .latros. > > On Sat, Mar 19, 2011 at 10:55 PM, Robin Lee Powell < > rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org> wrote: > > > On Sat, Mar 19, 2011 at 10:52:33PM -0400, Pierre Abbat wrote: > > > On Saturday 19 March 2011 20:19:47 Robin Lee Powell wrote: > > > > This comes up regularily in conversation for you? *Seriously*? > > > > So much so that adding {bu} is a heavy-handed restriction? I > > > > don't believe you. > > > > > > Just last week > > > > Exactly. > > > > -Robin > > > > -- > > http://singinst.org/ : Our last, best hope for a fantastic future. > > Lojban (http://www.lojban.org/): The language in which "this parrot > > is dead" is "ti poi spitaki cu morsi", but "this sentence is false" > > is "na nei". My personal page: http://www.digitalkingdom.org/rlp/ > > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > > "lojban" group. > > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > > For more options, visit this group at > > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. > > > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. > -- http://singinst.org/ : Our last, best hope for a fantastic future. Lojban (http://www.lojban.org/): The language in which "this parrot is dead" is "ti poi spitaki cu morsi", but "this sentence is false" is "na nei". 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