From lojban+bncCOjSjrXVGBD-jJrsBBoEHLe_LA@googlegroups.com Sun Mar 20 15:58:23 2011 Received: from mail-gx0-f189.google.com ([209.85.161.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Q1RZi-0004Ju-RS; Sun, 20 Mar 2011 15:58:22 -0700 Received: by gxk3 with SMTP id 3sf2608717gxk.16 for ; Sun, 20 Mar 2011 15:58:12 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version :in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post :list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type; bh=B++8XlcFRRTZKdMjnLkevDBMkvAqj1YL83X/WeJmKJQ=; b=elYKil2FtkDc4r4jRrBwcNM4EvoqNmrAHJyHCqvHPqTVBL9tW0MDbjt8+HvLdztnDb vF/pGm+Q1E0vK26s86KwHe6iZ2VSRanjgymGAY6vuzoyPaGj3jzx8fOKxAvNVEgPdny4 UtSdnFdC5i8a3QGXrJPFy5uzpCta1p16efy6Y= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from :date:message-id:subject:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=UqUQv8Rk5PSlJqOZ3a0wqKju/j2nEk+RHaCLfbX3MDQPFjKD74pA8tJHC4b6jQNUg0 bsM/jNlVfpSzGIAcRL8IkkKMlV6XmJjUzRLFGzrSryezCFjdy2Y1+/4pGikF/nNYJsNA VnpgZTqRoOqhQ5yd7Yaku6CmhfoP6r4gO/ZYI= Received: by 10.150.12.9 with SMTP id 9mr670313ybl.39.1300661886649; Sun, 20 Mar 2011 15:58:06 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.231.67.68 with SMTP id q4ls2138050ibi.3.p; Sun, 20 Mar 2011 15:58:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.42.157.74 with SMTP id c10mr196100icx.102.1300661885497; Sun, 20 Mar 2011 15:58:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.42.157.74 with SMTP id c10mr196099icx.102.1300661885483; Sun, 20 Mar 2011 15:58:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-iy0-f176.google.com (mail-iy0-f176.google.com [209.85.210.176]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id c4si1407876ict.7.2011.03.20.15.58.05 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 20 Mar 2011 15:58:05 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of lukeabergen@gmail.com designates 209.85.210.176 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.210.176; Received: by iyj12 with SMTP id 12so7069425iyj.21 for ; Sun, 20 Mar 2011 15:58:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.43.59.80 with SMTP id wn16mr6112933icb.67.1300661885137; Sun, 20 Mar 2011 15:58:05 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.231.206.207 with HTTP; Sun, 20 Mar 2011 15:57:45 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20110320215343.GY17248@digitalkingdom.org> References: <20110319191714.GO17248@digitalkingdom.org> <201103192012.57005.phma@phma.optus.nu> <20110320001947.GR17248@digitalkingdom.org> <201103192252.36066.phma@phma.optus.nu> <20110320025539.GU17248@digitalkingdom.org> <20110320215343.GY17248@digitalkingdom.org> From: Luke Bergen Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2011 18:57:45 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Anyone remember what lerfu strings are actually *for*? To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: lukeabergen@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of lukeabergen@gmail.com designates 209.85.210.176 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=lukeabergen@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=bcaec51dd23ba2f1e4049ef1f129 --bcaec51dd23ba2f1e4049ef1f129 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I wasn't surprised that {vy ci} was taken as a pro-sumti (though I'm not sure that I would have predicted it). I *would* be surprised if {ci vy} wasn't 3 v's (whatever v's are). On Sun, Mar 20, 2011 at 5:53 PM, Robin Lee Powell < rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org> wrote: > On Sun, Mar 20, 2011 at 09:31:59AM -0400, Ian Johnson wrote: > > Only problem with this argument is that afaict it winds up > > requiring a lot of {bu} when it requires any (Pierre's example > > winds up being {re bu bi bu .abu}), whereas {panzi be ny ci mei} > > is fixed by just one terminator. > > I just want to point out that while {panzi be ny ci mei} is a fairly > degenerate example, this is actually quite a common issue. The > following is na gendra, for example: > > vy ci nimre cu dunda mi > > because "vy ci" is taken as a pro-sumti. If that doesn't surprise > you at first glance, you've internalized the grammar a lot better > than I have (or anyone else I know; people screw this up pretty > regularily, when it comes up). > > -Robin > > -- > http://singinst.org/ : Our last, best hope for a fantastic future. > Lojban (http://www.lojban.org/): The language in which "this parrot > is dead" is "ti poi spitaki cu morsi", but "this sentence is false" > is "na nei". My personal page: http://www.digitalkingdom.org/rlp/ > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. --bcaec51dd23ba2f1e4049ef1f129 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I wasn't surprised that {vy ci} was taken as a pro-sumti (though I'= m not sure that I would have predicted it). =A0I would=A0be surprise= d if {ci vy} wasn't 3 v's (whatever v's are).

On Sun, Mar 20, 2011 at 5:53 PM, Robin Lee Powell <rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org= > wrote:
On Sun, Mar 20, 2011 at 09:31:59AM -0400, Ian Johnson wro= te:
> Only problem with this argument is that afaict= it winds up
> requiring a lot of {bu} when it requires any (Pierre's example
> winds up being {re bu bi bu .abu}), whereas {panzi be ny ci mei}
> is fixed by just one terminator.

I just want to point out that while {panzi be ny ci mei} is a fairly<= br> degenerate example, this is actually quite a common issue. =A0The
following is na gendra, for example:

=A0vy ci nimre cu dunda mi

because "vy ci" is taken as a pro-sumti. =A0If that doesn't s= urprise
you at first glance, you've internalized the grammar a lot better
than I have (or anyone else I know; people screw this up pretty
regularily, when it comes up).

-Robin

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http://singinst.org/= : =A0Our last, best hope for a fantastic future.
Lojban (http://www.loj= ban.org/): The language in which "this parrot
is dead" is "ti poi spitaki cu morsi", but "this senten= ce is false"
is "na nei". =A0 My personal page: http://www.digitalkingdom.org/rlp/
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