From lojban+bncCK30vq5WEMSLnOwEGgQH1P-J@googlegroups.com Mon Mar 21 01:01:26 2011 Received: from mail-pv0-f189.google.com ([74.125.83.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Q1a3D-0004ML-J0; Mon, 21 Mar 2011 01:01:26 -0700 Received: by pvc22 with SMTP id 22sf1332446pvc.16 for ; Mon, 21 Mar 2011 01:01:14 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:x-beenthere:received-spf:date:from:to:subject :message-id:references:mime-version:in-reply-to:user-agent :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post :list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type:content-disposition; bh=7oP8t6r2RwLl99Ce9U8c70Mk8Kq5UAiG5CzTWtT3jXg=; b=r2Uo483MKalq1RJVoGDCMmnZaQnKl5n47UU32kGfMc1NAnrp6CpWgY/3HJ8OLTMnDv wFzQwrAvT+2gPmhb0hgQtPtCkHeJ5Wvh0HdkvSGk3CVGSa4Nq98jDkM2J5LH2HwiMTL0 Q6bMLR6y9c/nl3PyLpwHMK/wOsA7Bbj759/Jo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:date:from:to:subject:message-id:references :mime-version:in-reply-to:user-agent:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-disposition; b=QtS36YKHiyNY9Ny8T/RPa1coS0RwTe3VEdMLU4cp84ES9pQm9l0mQUBYHYzkXSgQea b0EWs22xFEkvhRp+cNWNUTpDMJHg+ZuKS+QMaElCEOho4Km/Vlb+vmwVCZOYSV/yN2aF nDEEorge2W/dKlt7xzoznnqNRIsEgfGfY9Vh8= Received: by 10.142.208.16 with SMTP id f16mr236498wfg.10.1300694468142; Mon, 21 Mar 2011 01:01:08 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.142.97.18 with SMTP id u18ls1732198wfb.2.p; Mon, 21 Mar 2011 01:01:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.142.231.15 with SMTP id d15mr1105092wfh.2.1300694466959; Mon, 21 Mar 2011 01:01:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.142.231.15 with SMTP id d15mr1105091wfh.2.1300694466932; Mon, 21 Mar 2011 01:01:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org (digitalkingdom.org [173.13.139.234]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id u26si5406539wfc.5.2011.03.21.01.01.05 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 21 Mar 2011 01:01:05 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org designates 173.13.139.234 as permitted sender) client-ip=173.13.139.234; Received: from rlpowell by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Q1a2y-0004I8-ED for lojban@googlegroups.com; Mon, 21 Mar 2011 01:01:04 -0700 Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2011 01:01:04 -0700 From: Robin Lee Powell To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] Anyone remember what lerfu strings are actually *for*? Message-ID: <20110321080104.GZ17248@digitalkingdom.org> References: <20110319191714.GO17248@digitalkingdom.org> <201103192012.57005.phma@phma.optus.nu> <20110320001947.GR17248@digitalkingdom.org> <201103192252.36066.phma@phma.optus.nu> <20110320025539.GU17248@digitalkingdom.org> <20110320215343.GY17248@digitalkingdom.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) X-Original-Sender: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org designates 173.13.139.234 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Then you get to be surprised, because it is not; it's a "ci vy" amount of lemons: rlpowell@chain> echo "ci vy nimre cu dunda mi" | camxes text sentence |- sumti5 | |- number | | |- CMAVO | | | PA: ci | | |- CMAVO | | BY: vy | |- BRIVLA | gismu: nimre |- CMAVO | CU: cu |- bridiTail3 |- BRIVLA | gismu: dunda |- CMAVO KOhA: mi i.e. {ci vy nimre} is the x1, and {mi} is the x2. -Robin On Sun, Mar 20, 2011 at 06:57:45PM -0400, Luke Bergen wrote: > I wasn't surprised that {vy ci} was taken as a pro-sumti (though > I'm not sure that I would have predicted it). I *would* be > surprised if {ci vy} wasn't 3 v's (whatever v's are). > > On Sun, Mar 20, 2011 at 5:53 PM, Robin Lee Powell < > rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org> wrote: > > > On Sun, Mar 20, 2011 at 09:31:59AM -0400, Ian Johnson wrote: > > > Only problem with this argument is that afaict it winds up > > > requiring a lot of {bu} when it requires any (Pierre's example > > > winds up being {re bu bi bu .abu}), whereas {panzi be ny ci mei} > > > is fixed by just one terminator. > > > > I just want to point out that while {panzi be ny ci mei} is a fairly > > degenerate example, this is actually quite a common issue. The > > following is na gendra, for example: > > > > vy ci nimre cu dunda mi > > > > because "vy ci" is taken as a pro-sumti. If that doesn't surprise > > you at first glance, you've internalized the grammar a lot better > > than I have (or anyone else I know; people screw this up pretty > > regularily, when it comes up). > > > > -Robin > > > > -- > > http://singinst.org/ : Our last, best hope for a fantastic future. > > Lojban (http://www.lojban.org/): The language in which "this parrot > > is dead" is "ti poi spitaki cu morsi", but "this sentence is false" > > is "na nei". My personal page: http://www.digitalkingdom.org/rlp/ > > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > > "lojban" group. > > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > > For more options, visit this group at > > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. > > > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. > -- http://singinst.org/ : Our last, best hope for a fantastic future. Lojban (http://www.lojban.org/): The language in which "this parrot is dead" is "ti poi spitaki cu morsi", but "this sentence is false" is "na nei". 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