From lojban+bncCIycn8S8DhCS_pzsBBoEIHucjg@googlegroups.com Mon Mar 21 05:06:04 2011 Received: from mail-vw0-f61.google.com ([209.85.212.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Q1drq-000853-P9; Mon, 21 Mar 2011 05:06:03 -0700 Received: by vws2 with SMTP id 2sf1676240vws.16 for ; Mon, 21 Mar 2011 05:05:44 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post :list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=zLBg0TVckM1NcgNMZiTG3dsKQhhDMLSIU8GiFDVuGFw=; b=zkWC/xmlViggxB1yJkFe8WEScZADsJEaXJLFY8C+MRqe+imF6CUIZmAxU26NuqjUjW fRlF+JSgpIRZD9H9DOdxz8z1eNiInsmO2jF7noHnWz6J0948/A6G/qyRYi0hTSf+WULY 44ipH56jjOfAfAzylSjnyfbreFUS2KW5DZs1I= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=pLM4UxXSKD9wNHbG9tY3ZLwuJ4h4J2fO+udDWdtFiF5IR2IPKRkNbmT5dv7cVCtH8+ PHg5s0nKF5mE6zu2U8UeODH7scH3Xgcn+syule87gpHwURu6dpT0s5uDbBkWc1P26neu J15cc8wFebvuc2TajjdOn+NE9Tvx5xJaDgCMo= Received: by 10.220.179.198 with SMTP id br6mr292272vcb.33.1300709138387; Mon, 21 Mar 2011 05:05:38 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.220.124.5 with SMTP id s5ls2058014vcr.4.p; Mon, 21 Mar 2011 05:05:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.95.139 with SMTP id d11mr1176450vcn.24.1300709136724; Mon, 21 Mar 2011 05:05:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.95.139 with SMTP id d11mr1176449vcn.24.1300709136699; Mon, 21 Mar 2011 05:05:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-qw0-f44.google.com (mail-qw0-f44.google.com [209.85.216.44]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id f21si1465631vbs.0.2011.03.21.05.05.36 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 21 Mar 2011 05:05:36 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of mturniansky@gmail.com designates 209.85.216.44 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.216.44; Received: by mail-qw0-f44.google.com with SMTP id 5so3785176qwg.3 for ; Mon, 21 Mar 2011 05:05:36 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.229.7.3 with SMTP id b3mr3065007qcb.194.1300709136396; Mon, 21 Mar 2011 05:05:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.229.9.19 with HTTP; Mon, 21 Mar 2011 05:05:36 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20110321080104.GZ17248@digitalkingdom.org> References: <20110319191714.GO17248@digitalkingdom.org> <201103192012.57005.phma@phma.optus.nu> <20110320001947.GR17248@digitalkingdom.org> <201103192252.36066.phma@phma.optus.nu> <20110320025539.GU17248@digitalkingdom.org> <20110320215343.GY17248@digitalkingdom.org> <20110321080104.GZ17248@digitalkingdom.org> Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2011 08:05:36 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Anyone remember what lerfu strings are actually *for*? From: Michael Turniansky To: lojban@googlegroups.com Cc: Robin Lee Powell X-Original-Sender: mturniansky@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of mturniansky@gmail.com designates 209.85.216.44 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=mturniansky@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yeah, digit strings with lerfu are mentioned only in passing, and with no examples, in the CLL in 18.19.6-7. I agree that those are not nearly as useful as lerfu strings with digits (unless you are trying to write a base 36 number, or something???) --gejyspa On Mon, Mar 21, 2011 at 4:01 AM, Robin Lee Powell wrote: > Then you get to be surprised, because it is not; it's a "ci vy" > amount of lemons: > > rlpowell@chain> echo "ci vy nimre cu dunda mi" | camxes > text > =A0 sentence > =A0 |- sumti5 > =A0 | =A0|- number > =A0 | =A0| =A0|- CMAVO > =A0 | =A0| =A0| =A0 =A0 PA: ci > =A0 | =A0| =A0|- CMAVO > =A0 | =A0| =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0BY: vy > =A0 | =A0|- BRIVLA > =A0 | =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0gismu: nimre > =A0 |- CMAVO > =A0 | =A0 =A0 CU: cu > =A0 |- bridiTail3 > =A0 =A0 =A0|- BRIVLA > =A0 =A0 =A0| =A0 =A0 gismu: dunda > =A0 =A0 =A0|- CMAVO > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0KOhA: mi > > i.e. {ci vy nimre} is the x1, and {mi} is the x2. > > -Robin > > On Sun, Mar 20, 2011 at 06:57:45PM -0400, Luke Bergen wrote: >> I wasn't surprised that {vy ci} was taken as a pro-sumti (though >> I'm not sure that I would have predicted it). =A0I *would* be >> surprised if {ci vy} wasn't 3 v's (whatever v's are). >> >> On Sun, Mar 20, 2011 at 5:53 PM, Robin Lee Powell < >> rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org> wrote: >> >> > On Sun, Mar 20, 2011 at 09:31:59AM -0400, Ian Johnson wrote: >> > > Only problem with this argument is that afaict it winds up >> > > requiring a lot of {bu} when it requires any (Pierre's example >> > > winds up being {re bu bi bu .abu}), whereas {panzi be ny ci mei} >> > > is fixed by just one terminator. >> > >> > I just want to point out that while {panzi be ny ci mei} is a fairly >> > degenerate example, this is actually quite a common issue. =A0The >> > following is na gendra, for example: >> > >> > =A0vy ci nimre cu dunda mi >> > >> > because "vy ci" is taken as a pro-sumti. =A0If that doesn't surprise >> > you at first glance, you've internalized the grammar a lot better >> > than I have (or anyone else I know; people screw this up pretty >> > regularily, when it comes up). >> > >> > -Robin >> > >> > -- >> > http://singinst.org/ : =A0Our last, best hope for a fantastic future. >> > Lojban (http://www.lojban.org/): The language in which "this parrot >> > is dead" is "ti poi spitaki cu morsi", but "this sentence is false" >> > is "na nei". =A0 My personal page: http://www.digitalkingdom.org/rlp/ >> > >> > -- >> > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Gro= ups >> > "lojban" group. >> > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. >> > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> > lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >> > For more options, visit this group at >> > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=3Den. >> > >> > >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Group= s "lojban" group. >> To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googleg= roups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/loj= ban?hl=3Den. >> > > -- > http://singinst.org/ : =A0Our last, best hope for a fantastic future. > Lojban (http://www.lojban.org/): The language in which "this parrot > is dead" is "ti poi spitaki cu morsi", but "this sentence is false" > is "na nei". =A0 My personal page: http://www.digitalkingdom.org/rlp/ > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups= "lojban" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegr= oups.com. > For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojb= an?hl=3Den. > > --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. 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