From lojban+bncCPGMg4mHHBDY1IXtBBoEGr-ccA@googlegroups.com Sun Apr 10 01:29:33 2011 Received: from mail-qy0-f189.google.com ([209.85.216.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Q8q1N-0005wV-NC; Sun, 10 Apr 2011 01:29:33 -0700 Received: by qyk36 with SMTP id 36sf5874254qyk.16 for ; Sun, 10 Apr 2011 01:29:19 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post :list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type; bh=ItvNEv+1DIH/WsrqXPifrQhmjRLAq4kXnjYQkmBKiYg=; b=bvvSpf4B7eXN3U/2qNlBqgAC6Ya/n04iysb6KD8dNxfAPfx6cxJZFyYcoeAblJ4NjF wl7eYHNf/l7XDVoe32hom12sWPZn/u4d3VmmC+ODJPcFzttxi3JT1GBsJUuH6GNjFNVP e/NS4moDQlaobDg8PFmpyo0omlRezwBMj/lWg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=weVHY7bxJVGU7UqKGc/TMTUiE4fdoawPllBIEpF7ZJaoLs9xvgROnwV6xjSMIl1jmH rFBqaYyHH2flAFBy7ItYU0fc91FBXMmFIxlEOq1+YNO7qVKOKkVS+hQOIEzBcEHtaW/Z VO6DgPJ/on60CRaiU6ty7dprO8L2yNxNPdouA= Received: by 10.229.1.96 with SMTP id 32mr468311qce.21.1302424152202; Sun, 10 Apr 2011 01:29:12 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.229.229.132 with SMTP id ji4ls54151qcb.1.p; Sun, 10 Apr 2011 01:29:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.229.11.36 with SMTP id r36mr239847qcr.18.1302424151085; Sun, 10 Apr 2011 01:29:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.229.11.36 with SMTP id r36mr239846qcr.18.1302424151059; Sun, 10 Apr 2011 01:29:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-vx0-f177.google.com ([209.85.220.177]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id n4si822318qcg.15.2011.04.10.01.29.10 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 10 Apr 2011 01:29:11 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of ivo.doko@gmail.com designates 209.85.220.177 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.220.177; Received: by vxd2 with SMTP id 2so5751840vxd.22 for ; Sun, 10 Apr 2011 01:29:10 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.220.46.234 with SMTP id k42mr1186944vcf.133.1302424150742; Sun, 10 Apr 2011 01:29:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.60.13 with HTTP; Sun, 10 Apr 2011 01:29:10 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <0a74da06-07cf-4b52-a329-ed0ebbae2f5b@u8g2000yqh.googlegroups.com> <637d0745ed534b12dfc5867e00c83107@mail.twey.co.uk> <201104082010.50455.phma@phma.optus.nu> <501670.94789.qm@web81302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4DA0C9C0.6040102@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2011 09:29:10 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: I love Lojban's approach, but what's the deal with place tags? From: Ivo Doko To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: ivo.doko@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of ivo.doko@gmail.com designates 209.85.220.177 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=ivo.doko@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On 9 April 2011 22:14, Jonathan Jones wrote: > I have trouble with the "ml" in mlatu... Well that one shouldn't be a problem. You know how to say "bl" (as in "black"). Now just instead of "black" say "mlack". I'm serious - "m" and "b" are almost the same phoneme, the trick is the same. If that doesn't work for you there's a different approach: The trick is to, before you say "m" (while your lips are closed), position your tongue as if you're going to say "L" (because you *are* going to say it). Then, as you say "m" and open up your lips, just pull off your tongue to say "L". Like I said, the same trick. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en.