From lojban+bncCMHEmaCOBhDDhYjtBBoET64aQA@googlegroups.com Sun Apr 10 12:19:56 2011 Received: from mail-fx0-f61.google.com ([209.85.161.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Q90Aj-0005YQ-02; Sun, 10 Apr 2011 12:19:56 -0700 Received: by fxm14 with SMTP id 14sf4804790fxm.16 for ; Sun, 10 Apr 2011 12:19:38 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post :list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type; bh=RkNQOeexMG9ciIY3E+oZHXpejEbZnd23LLc99xTrSvs=; b=pHwm2z//1bM21D4PhwApXqQsbu+7Iyxzc4hpfBI3Uu1eEaceyT/0Wv++HGwkRaU1Ii p+tSL9mQ0AHZHPmC/q61dJuMWjG0osgEpEUy4nZ0BB3DfJ5fq6q/rUqKifxbJevXDVUI qW4TbnVQsEifYNYgFtVYLQhTqCSKL3J7fxjBo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=f0QgcVQEwndJH7pBeMjW8ekfiXJqSbFZe7kSFkzyJpTagrWk9s/1xfysSwG2j9Zqt/ pWhCXEH5E7uLe4YSalVc7Sr9/IZubx71WDC9FosF7Pno+oHGrDWemgg1O+wai+X0iI7E Ewz5ppgwsRGjMMz3szBuE7jus9HE9rXpBg/CU= Received: by 10.223.5.69 with SMTP id 5mr876660fau.2.1302463171198; Sun, 10 Apr 2011 12:19:31 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.223.78.196 with SMTP id m4ls25264fak.0.p; Sun, 10 Apr 2011 12:19:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.223.77.77 with SMTP id f13mr529547fak.28.1302463169927; Sun, 10 Apr 2011 12:19:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.223.77.77 with SMTP id f13mr529546fak.28.1302463169874; Sun, 10 Apr 2011 12:19:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-bw0-f53.google.com (mail-bw0-f53.google.com [209.85.214.53]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id j3si494936fax.9.2011.04.10.12.19.29 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 10 Apr 2011 12:19:29 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.53 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.214.53; Received: by bwg12 with SMTP id 12so4481901bwg.12 for ; Sun, 10 Apr 2011 12:19:29 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.224.2 with SMTP id im2mr4149231bkb.103.1302463168563; Sun, 10 Apr 2011 12:19:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.116.147 with HTTP; Sun, 10 Apr 2011 12:19:28 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <3f9f6be2-a506-4bd6-b5d3-60d486b71db5@k30g2000yqb.googlegroups.com> References: <3f9f6be2-a506-4bd6-b5d3-60d486b71db5@k30g2000yqb.googlegroups.com> Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2011 13:19:28 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: Lojban Class at Rice University From: Jonathan Jones To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: eyeonus@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.53 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=eyeonus@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=485b3970d06e7ec7e904a09556c2 --485b3970d06e7ec7e904a09556c2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Ah, I did think of one suggestion: record the lectures and post them on YouTube. I'm certain the in-class videos would be useful to others. As for a place to put stuff, lojban.org is an obvious choice. You can either use the wiki, which can be modified by anyone, or if you want some other interface, you can talk to Robin about the details. doi Robin, you are still the one that maintains lojban.org, yes? On Sun, Apr 10, 2011 at 11:24 AM, djandus wrote: > I happen to have a number of friends who have already requested the > same thing, which is partly why I want to have everything done online. > (The other reason being: who likes all that paper stuff anyway?) So, > as it stands, I would have everything that would be covered in class > available online for anyone for certain. The exercises that would be > completed through Owlspace I will have to put a little extra effort > into releasing on a schedule, but I'm sure I can work it out. (It's > not that I'm afraid of students knowing how to do assignments before > they have to do them -- as I mentioned before, the grades don't matter > very much. Really, I'm afraid of students being scared off by seeing a > huge document of assignments.) > > I certainly want this to be something that others can study along with > from anywhere, following along as it continues in the fall. (I've > already started typing up a bit of an introduction, where I explain > how if you're reading this info and you're not in my class, try to > keep to a 14-week schedule, and try to get a partner to learn with, to > practice conversation.) > > Exactly where all this information will reside is a little up in the > air, but I'm fairly certain I get a webpage as a Rice student that I > can use for this purpose. Basically, I'll just double all of the > information online as it runs in the classroom. > > Speaking of all of this, I forgot to mention that I am relatively > proficient in typing with LaTeX, (through LyX, with some direct TeX > code experience) as one maybe can tell from the Table of Contents I > linked to. So, I hope to have all of my lesson plans detailed in there > in a way that as I teach a class, anyone can go straight to a document > and read what I taught. > > --djandus > > On Apr 10, 3:11 am, Jonathan Jones wrote: > > Well, I can only think of two things to say: First, Right On! That's just > > freaking awesome that someone going to be teaching Lojban at a > university. > > Second, I humbly request that you make as much of the materials you use > > available to non-Rice Lojban students as well, because the more good > > learning resources our nintadni have, the better. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sat, Apr 9, 2011 at 2:30 PM, djandus wrote: > > > coi rodo > > > > > So, I am Joe Anderson, an undergraduate at Rice, and am planning on > > > teaching a class on Lojban in the fall. > > > (http://courses.rice.edu/admweb/swkscat.main? > > > p_action=COURSE&p_crn=16915&p_term=201210) > > > > > I know a lot about Lojban, but I'm going to have to work like crazy to > > > put this together, especially over the summer. I originally learned > > > Lojban through Lojban for Beginners, about 3 years ago. I have started > > > visiting the IRC only recently, learning a lot about how the language > > > has been changing in Lojbanistan since that teaching aid was created. > > > I've been playing around with many other teaching aids, especially > > > Anki, and have many ideas for how to structure the class. I've also > > > been working closely with a French professor here who studies teaching > > > languages in general. With her help, I've already made a pretty > > > accurate table of contents for the course, which I have uploaded here: > > >http://jandew.ersoft.org/lojban/contents.pdf > > > My main objectives are to teach proficiency in conversation and cover > > > the grammar of approximately half of Lojban for Beginners. From my > > > table of contents, you can note that this entails teaching everything > > > up to tenses, where including the last chapter in my lesson plans is > > > entirely up to how much lesson time I have. As for the time I have, > > > I'm given a one-hour class a week for 14 weeks. My plan is to have as > > > much talking as possible in class, with vocabulary and exercises being > > > covered outside of class. To do that, I'm wanting to write up > > > exercises that can be completed online (I'm currently investigating > > > how much I can do with Owlspace) and require students to use Anki and > > > somehow turn in their study results. (I know Anki keeps track of that > > > very well.) There's obviously a lot of parts to this, but with > > > everything so primordial, here's what I'd love to have help with: > > > Lesson plans: > > > The theory behind ordering the courses as I have, making sure > > > the general plans are good > > > What I'll be covering in class, how to keep students on their > > > toes > > > Exercises to give outside of class, creative assignments > > > The vocabulary I will cover -- how much per week, what order, > > > etc. > > > Any ideas about study materials -- I'm going to keep it simple, > > > with vocabulary in one place, (Anki,) and other exercises in another. > > > (online, probably Owlspace) If anyone has interesting ideas on cool > > > study materials I could put it, I'd love to try to fit it in > > > somewhere. > > > I also need support in teaching me -- I need to get more proficient > > > in speaking Lojban in the areas I will be teaching. I am not lacking > > > so much in the concepts as the vocabulary. I want to get the students > > > used to Lojban conversation, and I'm still not used to it, yet! > > > There is a strong possibility that I can organize one day to have a > > > computer lab trip for a videoconference with other Lojbanists! I think > > > this would be a really fun way to end things, making sure that the > > > students get connected with Lojbanistan. Any interested in helping > > > with that may need to do the same as I, practicing conversation with > > > the basic tools I will end up teaching over the semester. > > > One day must be spent "outside of class" as a requirement for > > > student-taught courses at Rice. Ideas for this are welcome -- right > > > now, the best I've got is something like a scavenger hunt on campus. > > > (note that with a videoconference and a day-outside-of-class, that > > > means I really only have 12 weeks of class that I can count on) > > > Any suggestions on communication. Right now, I'm only really > > > accustomed to email and the IRC. This is my first post on the mailing > > > list. I have browsed around a lot on lojban.org, but there's a lot of > > > information there, and if anyone recognizes some great online resource > > > for anything, even talking about this, (in case this discussion > > > clutters up the mailing list or something,) then feel free to speak up > > > about it. > > > I happen to know how to program in python, and I've been working on > > > a few study programs to help, say, learn the numbers. I'd love people > > > to help suggest improvements for those as well, as I write them. > > > > > In working through this, I will for certain be able to have the > > > resources associated with Owlspace, which basically entails easy > > > communication with students and ability to have assignments on there, > > > in a variety of ways. I will be investigating its capabilities as soon > > > as possible. I probably will have access to it after Fall > > > Registration, which begins tomorrow. I will also start getting numbers > > > of people signed up for the course then. For those eager to learn more > > > about that resource: > > >https://owlspace-ccm.rice.edu/portal/site/!gateway/page/!gateway-300 > > > I may end up also having access to the the Language Resource Center on > > > campus, which means computer lab access with built-in speaking > > > capabilities and any associated online resources. This means I could > > > give assignments with audio or video interaction -- things which may > > > not exist yet for Lojban. (These resources are normally used in ways > > > like having a test with the last question being "Speak for at least > > > one minute about {your family..., what you do on the weekend..., > > > etc.}" or giving an assignment where students watch a video of a > > > weatherman speaking and then answer questions about the weather.) > > > These sorts of assignments/tests can be given online, if necessary. I > > > might be able to have Anki installed in the lab in a lojban folder, so > > > that students have access to it there, etc. > > > > > Oh, and I need to explain student-taught courses! So, at Rice, they > > > work like this: it's counted as a one-credit course, as well as being > > > a special type of pass-fail, called satisfactory-unsatisfactory, where > > > the difference is in how GPA is calculated. Basically, this all means > > > that even though I will have to have grades and whatnot, the grade > > > will be rather unimportant. As a con, students will be rather > > > unmotivated by bad grades. As a pro, the students who sign up will > > > probably be extremely motivated by desire to learn the language > > > itself. So, I can actually put very little focus on grading. (Also, > > > note that at Rice it's really common for students to change around > > > their schedule quite a lot for the first two weeks. I've been > > > factoring that in to exactly how my lesson plans will work.) > > > > > Many of my plans are very flexible, so I'm welcoming as many > > > criticisms and new ideas as possible right now. For now, I think > > > that's best done through this mailing list, but I'm sure people will > > > eventually need my direct email address: > > > jandew+loj...@gmail.com > > > (don't worry about cluttering my email -- gmail will tag anything you > > > send to the "+lojban" email address) > > > > > Also, I will probably be on the IRC almost all the time after school's > > > out, around May 4th. Thanks to the awesome Lojbanists who have already > > > helped me so much, and to the help I know I'll get in the future! > > > (This community is pretty excellent, in my opinion.) > > > > > co'o > > > djandus > > > > > -- > > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups > > > "lojban" group. > > > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > > lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > > > For more options, visit this group at > > >http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. > > > > -- > > mu'o mi'e .aionys. > > > > .i.a'o.e'e ko cmima le bende pe lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu > do > > zo'o > > (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D ) > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. > > -- mu'o mi'e .aionys. .i.a'o.e'e ko cmima le bende pe lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D ) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. --485b3970d06e7ec7e904a09556c2 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ah, I did think of one suggestion: record the lectures and post them on You= Tube. I'm certain the in-class videos would be useful to others.
As for a place to put stuff, lojban.org = is an obvious choice. You can either use the wiki, which can be modified by= anyone, or if you want some other interface, you can talk to Robin about t= he details.

doi Robin, you are still the one that maintains lojban.org, yes?

On Sun, Apr 1= 0, 2011 at 11:24 AM, djandus <jandew@gmail.com> wrote:
I happen to have a number of friends who ha= ve already requested the
same thing, which is partly why I want to have everything done online.
(The other reason being: who likes all that paper stuff anyway?) So,
as it stands, I would have everything that would be covered in class
available online for anyone for certain. The exercises that would be
completed through Owlspace I will have to put a little extra effort
into releasing on a schedule, but I'm sure I can work it out. (It's=
not that I'm afraid of students knowing how to do assignments before they have to do them -- as I mentioned before, the grades don't matter<= br> very much. Really, I'm afraid of students being scared off by seeing a<= br> huge document of assignments.)

I certainly want this to be something that others can study along with
from anywhere, following along as it continues in the fall. (I've
already started typing up a bit of an introduction, where I explain
how if you're reading this info and you're not in my class, try to<= br> keep to a 14-week schedule, and try to get a partner to learn with, to
practice conversation.)

Exactly where all this information will reside is a little up in the
air, but I'm fairly certain I get a webpage as a Rice student that I can use for this purpose. Basically, I'll just double all of the
information online as it runs in the classroom.

Speaking of all of this, I forgot to mention that I am relatively
proficient in typing with LaTeX, (through LyX, with some direct TeX
code experience) as one maybe can tell from the Table of Contents I
linked to. So, I hope to have all of my lesson plans detailed in there
in a way that as I teach a class, anyone can go straight to a document
and read what I taught.

--djandus

On Apr 10, 3:11=A0am, Jonathan Jones <eyeo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Well, I can only think of two things to say: First, Right On! That'= ;s just
> freaking awesome that someone going to be teaching Lojban at a univers= ity.
> Second, I humbly request that you make as much of the materials you us= e
> available to non-Rice Lojban students as well, because the more good > learning resources our nintadni have, the better.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sat, Apr 9, 2011 at 2:30 PM= , djandus <jan...@gmail.com> = wrote:
> > coi rodo
>
> > So, I am Joe Anderson, an undergraduate at Rice, and am planning = on
> > teaching a class on Lojban in the fall.
> > (http://courses.rice.edu/admweb/swkscat.main?
> > p_action=3DCOURSE&p_crn=3D16915&p_term=3D201210)
>
> > I know a lot about Lojban, but I'm going to have to work like= crazy to
> > put this together, especially over the summer. I originally learn= ed
> > Lojban through Lojban for Beginners, about 3 years ago. I have st= arted
> > visiting the IRC only recently, learning a lot about how the lang= uage
> > has been changing in Lojbanistan since that teaching aid was crea= ted.
> > I've been playing around with many other teaching aids, espec= ially
> > Anki, and have many ideas for how to structure the class. I'v= e also
> > been working closely with a French professor here who studies tea= ching
> > languages in general. With her help, I've already made a pret= ty
> > accurate table of contents for the course, which I have uploaded = here:
> >http://jandew.ersoft.org/lojban/contents.pdf
> > My main objectives are to teach proficiency in conversation and c= over
> > the grammar of approximately half of Lojban for Beginners. From m= y
> > table of contents, you can note that this entails teaching everyt= hing
> > up to tenses, where including the last chapter in my lesson plans= is
> > entirely up to how much lesson time I have. As for the time I hav= e,
> > I'm given a one-hour class a week for 14 weeks. My plan is to= have as
> > much talking as possible in class, with vocabulary and exercises = being
> > covered outside of class. To do that, I'm wanting to write up=
> > exercises that can be completed online (I'm currently investi= gating
> > how much I can do with Owlspace) and require students to use Anki= and
> > somehow turn in their study results. (I know Anki keeps track of = that
> > very well.) There's obviously a lot of parts to this, but wit= h
> > everything so primordial, here's what I'd love to have he= lp with:
> > =A0 Lesson plans:
> > =A0 =A0 =A0The theory behind ordering the courses as I have, maki= ng sure
> > the general plans are good
> > =A0 =A0 =A0What I'll be covering in class, how to keep studen= ts on their
> > toes
> > =A0 =A0 =A0Exercises to give outside of class, creative assignmen= ts
> > =A0 =A0 =A0The vocabulary I will cover -- how much per week, what= order,
> > etc.
> > =A0 =A0 =A0Any ideas about study materials -- I'm going to ke= ep it simple,
> > with vocabulary in one place, (Anki,) and other exercises in anot= her.
> > (online, probably Owlspace) If anyone has interesting ideas on co= ol
> > study materials I could put it, I'd love to try to fit it in<= br> > > somewhere.
> > =A0 I also need support in teaching me -- I need to get more prof= icient
> > in speaking Lojban in the areas I will be teaching. I am not lack= ing
> > so much in the concepts as the vocabulary. I want to get the stud= ents
> > used to Lojban conversation, and I'm still not used to it, ye= t!
> > =A0 There is a strong possibility that I can organize one day to = have a
> > computer lab trip for a videoconference with other Lojbanists! I = think
> > this would be a really fun way to end things, making sure that th= e
> > students get connected with Lojbanistan. Any interested in helpin= g
> > with that may need to do the same as I, practicing conversation w= ith
> > the basic tools I will end up teaching over the semester.
> > =A0 One day must be spent "outside of class" as a requi= rement for
> > student-taught courses at Rice. Ideas for this are welcome -- rig= ht
> > now, the best I've got is something like a scavenger hunt on = campus.
> > (note that with a videoconference and a day-outside-of-class, tha= t
> > means I really only have 12 weeks of class that I can count on) > > =A0 Any suggestions on communication. Right now, I'm only rea= lly
> > accustomed to email and the IRC. This is my first post on the mai= ling
> > list. I have browsed around a lot on lojban.org, but there's a lot of
> > information there, and if anyone recognizes some great online res= ource
> > for anything, even talking about this, (in case this discussion > > clutters up the mailing list or something,) then feel free to spe= ak up
> > about it.
> > =A0 I happen to know how to program in python, and I've been = working on
> > a few study programs to help, say, learn the numbers. I'd lov= e people
> > to help suggest improvements for those as well, as I write them.<= br> >
> > In working through this, I will for certain be able to have the > > resources associated with Owlspace, which basically entails easy<= br> > > communication with students and ability to have assignments on th= ere,
> > in a variety of ways. I will be investigating its capabilities as= soon
> > as possible. I probably will have access to it after Fall
> > Registration, which begins tomorrow. I will also start getting nu= mbers
> > of people signed up for the course then. For those eager to learn= more
> > about that resource:
> >https://owlspace-ccm.rice.edu/portal/s= ite/!gateway/page/!gateway-300
> > I may end up also having access to the the Language Resource Cent= er on
> > campus, which means computer lab access with built-in speaking > > capabilities and any associated online resources. This means I co= uld
> > give assignments with audio or video interaction -- things which = may
> > not exist yet for Lojban. (These resources are normally used in w= ays
> > like having a test with the last question being "Speak for a= t least
> > one minute about {your family..., what you do on the weekend...,<= br> > > etc.}" or giving an assignment where students watch a video = of a
> > weatherman speaking and then answer questions about the weather.)=
> > These sorts of assignments/tests can be given online, if necessar= y. I
> > might be able to have Anki installed in the lab in a lojban folde= r, so
> > that students have access to it there, etc.
>
> > Oh, and I need to explain student-taught courses! So, at Rice, th= ey
> > work like this: it's counted as a one-credit course, as well = as being
> > a special type of pass-fail, called satisfactory-unsatisfactory, = where
> > the difference is in how GPA is calculated. Basically, this all m= eans
> > that even though I will have to have grades and whatnot, the grad= e
> > will be rather unimportant. As a con, students will be rather
> > unmotivated by bad grades. As a pro, the students who sign up wil= l
> > probably be extremely motivated by desire to learn the language > > itself. So, I can actually put very little focus on grading. (Als= o,
> > note that at Rice it's really common for students to change a= round
> > their schedule quite a lot for the first two weeks. I've been=
> > factoring that in to exactly how my lesson plans will work.)
>
> > Many of my plans are very flexible, so I'm welcoming as many<= br> > > criticisms and new ideas as possible right now. For now, I think<= br> > > that's best done through this mailing list, but I'm sure = people will
> > eventually need my direct email address:
> > jandew+l= oj...@gmail.com
> > (don't worry about cluttering my email -- g= mail will tag anything you
> > send to the "+lojban" email address)
>
> > Also, I will probably be on the IRC almost all the time after sch= ool's
> > out, around May 4th. Thanks to the awesome Lojbanists who have al= ready
> > helped me so much, and to the help I know I'll get in the fut= ure!
> > (This community is pretty excellent, in my opinion.)
>
> > co'o
> > djandus
>
> > --
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> > "lojban" group.
> > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com.
> > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to
> > lojban+u= nsubscribe@googlegroups.com.
> > For more options, visit this group at
> >http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=3Den.
>
> --
> mu'o mi'e .aionys.
>
> .i.a'o.e'e ko cmima le bende pe lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.lu= k. mi patfu do
> zo'o
> (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D )

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