From lojban+bncCNTPpI2KGxD1sYvtBBoElapgsQ@googlegroups.com Mon Apr 11 03:33:47 2011 Received: from mail-vw0-f61.google.com ([209.85.212.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Q9ER8-0003SI-Kd; Mon, 11 Apr 2011 03:33:47 -0700 Received: by vws2 with SMTP id 2sf3033769vws.16 for ; Mon, 11 Apr 2011 03:33:32 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:x-beenthere:received-spf:x-authority-analysis :x-cloudmark-score:x-originating-ip:from:to:subject:date:user-agent :references:in-reply-to:mime-version:message-id:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; bh=SBmEdw9UsXNPkHFtUZzrlns1R8ADyZlcAGwM9ma/Oco=; b=Fhyx+MhNOAHQKmfE/FScnfs7iBQzFazjjP2Xgw2sWVCoyy95ybtbbVIHXpi5ENv7rN 8R+fqPpHwPsHIqZYaytW4XdsHMIgtTIV7p6yCK3zh+VcO1Ek/+PjUFxtcpShq4vKrels tkX3RphRCj5gFn6Uh22Fy56qsLRT2ABj5PWRI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:x-authority-analysis:x-cloudmark-score :x-originating-ip:from:to:subject:date:user-agent:references :in-reply-to:mime-version:message-id:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=lzq8ylz61tbGcFfCtRWRXrZR/gRq7fNcK/yExb2kerantN+GpKNyOd4MkY4jQLGw6k qFAEwdSTw92u+AA2eddlLbxPgSMspamtVXpxW9fhD5sR1IPNg2kb7SmtBTg8hARCq3As tz3OkNMeHQDHv4KfiLwCgmoIHuOjEuhNn2oXg= Received: by 10.220.101.20 with SMTP id a20mr561706vco.55.1302518005306; Mon, 11 Apr 2011 03:33:25 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.220.173.66 with SMTP id o2ls1843937vcz.5.p; Mon, 11 Apr 2011 03:33:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.0.66 with SMTP id 2mr1208819vdc.19.1302518003954; Mon, 11 Apr 2011 03:33:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.0.66 with SMTP id 2mr1208818vdc.19.1302518003931; Mon, 11 Apr 2011 03:33:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.121]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id b16si1338876vby.2.2011.04.11.03.33.22; Mon, 11 Apr 2011 03:33:22 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 75.180.132.121 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@phma.optus.nu) client-ip=75.180.132.121; X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=Nm3SJc7L3wlcojC9snsyzORkYWw1JOu3BeZkTeIwPUk= c=1 sm=0 a=6ti_TD8eFm8A:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=9o99xeNKNPYSmM5t9x5+TQ==:17 a=TT_miLVuOnsx59GmILMA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=9o99xeNKNPYSmM5t9x5+TQ==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Originating-IP: 75.176.118.168 Received: from [75.176.118.168] ([75.176.118.168:57493] helo=chausie) by cdptpa-oedge02.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id D5/0F-11439-2F8D2AD4; Mon, 11 Apr 2011 10:33:22 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by chausie (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87CE01A32B for ; Mon, 11 Apr 2011 06:33:21 -0400 (EDT) From: Pierre Abbat To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] music terms Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2011 06:32:41 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.6 (enterprise 0.20070907.709405) References: <735642.73474.qm@web88008.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <201104011040.37367.phma@phma.optus.nu> <630705.10215.qm@web88002.mail.re2.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <630705.10215.qm@web88002.mail.re2.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <201104110632.47610.phma@phma.optus.nu> X-Original-Sender: phma@phma.optus.nu X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 75.180.132.121 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@phma.optus.nu) smtp.mail=phma@phma.optus.nu Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline On Monday 04 April 2011 10:28:49 A. PIEKARSKI wrote: > My music theory is virtually non-existent, so please bear with me. > Shouldn't "cistrxeioli" be "aeolian" i.e. "natural minor" (but not harmon= ic > minor > > or melodic minor)?.=A0 If, as you suggest, it=A0should mean any of the th= ree > minors, > > then the only way to specify which of the three minors it is, would be to > spell out all > > =A0the notes in x3 - ponderous to say the least.=A0 If there were a disti= nct > fui'vla for each > > of the three minors, then x3 would be unnecessary. But then which minor i= s > the minor in "Beethoven's String Quartet in C# minor Op 131 "? > > If, regardless of my suggestion, we were to have one fu'ivla for "minor", > then wouldn't it be better to have x3 be the type (i.e. natural, harmonic > or melodic) > > rather than the complete list of notes? cistrxaioli is natural minor. The other two are frequently mixed. I don't k= now=20 Beethoven's String Quartet. Greensleeves is in E minor, mixing the natural= =20 and melodic modes. A scale can be called major or minor if it contains the major or minor chor= d=20 of the tonic. In this sense, three of the seven modes are major, three are= =20 minor, and the seventh, Locrian, is neither. There are other major scales a= nd=20 other minor scales. So I think we should have a word for major scale and a= =20 word for minor scale, as well as words for particular scales. Pierre --=20 When a barnacle settles down, its brain disintegrates. J=E1 n=E3o percebe nada, j=E1 n=E3o percebe nada. --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den.