From lojban+bncCIycn8S8DhDP8YvtBBoEA44_8Q@googlegroups.com Mon Apr 11 05:49:36 2011 Received: from mail-vw0-f61.google.com ([209.85.212.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Q9GYf-0002lH-0E; Mon, 11 Apr 2011 05:49:36 -0700 Received: by vws2 with SMTP id 2sf3210587vws.16 for ; Mon, 11 Apr 2011 05:49:26 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post :list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type; bh=zTnsMlahfzNHKgfELTQwXZPQX2gFHyraqdORFqdbG18=; b=aeeSkXrosD+0BZys/QuVb5Aej7aDqJEYl1RTu1jP/eIGomjdxB0sKPr5zeDc3E6N4i /JNVzRDqfc8F/9nMQKR23kJcoKDOLSm5pxK0CAylkquH97GW/W1yfdJ6Y2DYnYUB5IEE Uhcuv3FKZQ9HpPuk+k/vO8O2KAFcPjPwNJ7I8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=n33ck+hpZE59bNvodp5VT9+ovc9KhOGNpj9yf3gBC6RI2A7DfHTL9rpaibdeFqO+e7 kozSkeIiHvX5+zQjhWX04yhd0/UqnPv1DXF472CMKDFrJbJ0wHVRX3T+ZcuBD1qHt/5G VOqnR+oJo6QUe7QwW/OXrAO9fFyKBsF95v7Hc= Received: by 10.220.117.139 with SMTP id r11mr598400vcq.18.1302526159525; Mon, 11 Apr 2011 05:49:19 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.220.114.139 with SMTP id e11ls1881539vcq.4.p; Mon, 11 Apr 2011 05:49:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.201.67 with SMTP id ez3mr632174vcb.3.1302526158637; Mon, 11 Apr 2011 05:49:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.201.67 with SMTP id ez3mr632173vcb.3.1302526158619; Mon, 11 Apr 2011 05:49:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-qw0-f53.google.com (mail-qw0-f53.google.com [209.85.216.53]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id fl21si1356296vbb.3.2011.04.11.05.49.17 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 11 Apr 2011 05:49:17 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of mturniansky@gmail.com designates 209.85.216.53 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.216.53; Received: by mail-qw0-f53.google.com with SMTP id 7so4411432qwb.40 for ; Mon, 11 Apr 2011 05:49:17 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.224.140.146 with SMTP id i18mr4038763qau.33.1302526157318; Mon, 11 Apr 2011 05:49:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.229.96.135 with HTTP; Mon, 11 Apr 2011 05:49:17 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2011 08:49:17 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Regularization From: Michael Turniansky To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: mturniansky@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of mturniansky@gmail.com designates 209.85.216.53 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=mturniansky@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Counterfactual meaning not as things are, but as they might be. So, for example "va'o lo nu lo snime cu carvi kei mi ma'ekla le birju"-> "I drive to the office in the snow" ("in the situation of it snowing, I drive to the office") "va'o da'i lo nu lo snime cu carvi kei mi ma'ekla le birju" -> "if it snows, I will drive to the office". ("in the theoretical situation of it snowing, I drive to the office") Clearer? --gejyspa On Mon, Apr 11, 2011 at 8:29 AM, Remo Dentato wrote: > On Mon, Apr 11, 2011 at 1:38 PM, Michael Turniansky > wrote: >> But also remember, va'o doesn't work as a >> counterfactual on its own. You must also have the da'i to mark it as >> hypothetical. > > Could you elaborate a little bit? What do you mean with "counterfactual"? > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en.