From lojban+bncCIywt_XDCRCmlYztBBoEKBczjw@googlegroups.com Mon Apr 11 07:05:44 2011 Received: from mail-yw0-f61.google.com ([209.85.213.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Q9HkJ-0003RW-8s; Mon, 11 Apr 2011 07:05:43 -0700 Received: by ywg8 with SMTP id 8sf10523016ywg.16 for ; Mon, 11 Apr 2011 07:05:33 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:x-beenthere:received-spf :x-yahoo-newman-property:x-yahoo-newman-id:message-id:x-ymail-osg :x-mailer:references:date:from:subject:to:in-reply-to:mime-version :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post :list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type; bh=+VbAEXyfn11ob62aRfbX3u81PzD3oRcqsWAIXLp/il4=; b=Uc5e6/EAobg+J3H49j5xYrsBZQyT9xQ+VsAXLd6A9O09ZZPk8rV6ayT1hkVrlz3qDR WRM7ry0W6wGEaBeQkU186VPEZDNrpzWHdB/asECSHqnbCIq3k0Mu0B55Z7iMj+YWbMRW n+14jI2LJ/wNSYnffZK2VwKhdLo3Bv/ad7zfE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:x-yahoo-newman-property:x-yahoo-newman-id :message-id:x-ymail-osg:x-mailer:references:date:from:subject:to :in-reply-to:mime-version:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=580FEFl8nkzrAWvvYSR/p68zzphsyGdREWwC2jkibzwyAhdFWvPGcUYaZv6cdyQ/Of +H71dS/AbmuKj6wneaowMxwkn40OdjokhZibl6aJV/91rJV4K2sFFKJh1T199/w+YSR3 mCZe+PvY0IIVHJawMSV+2cNY0LvNWeaKxmSYg= Received: by 10.101.137.34 with SMTP id p34mr115487ann.34.1302530726129; Mon, 11 Apr 2011 07:05:26 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.100.20.10 with SMTP id 10ls780003ant.0.p; Mon, 11 Apr 2011 07:05:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.101.131.30 with SMTP id i30mr279617ann.11.1302530725334; Mon, 11 Apr 2011 07:05:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.101.131.30 with SMTP id i30mr279616ann.11.1302530725312; Mon, 11 Apr 2011 07:05:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nm27.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com (nm27.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com [66.94.237.92]) by gmr-mx.google.com with SMTP id d8si1792223ana.7.2011.04.11.07.05.24; Mon, 11 Apr 2011 07:05:24 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of kali9putra@yahoo.com designates 66.94.237.92 as permitted sender) client-ip=66.94.237.92; Received: from [66.94.237.193] by nm27.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Apr 2011 14:05:23 -0000 Received: from [66.94.237.115] by tm4.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Apr 2011 14:05:23 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1020.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Apr 2011 14:05:23 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 967998.83630.bm@omp1020.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 42998 invoked by uid 60001); 11 Apr 2011 14:05:23 -0000 Message-ID: <759730.3522.qm@web81303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: Oz6xUccVM1luIMkWBOzcAsF89fCN34rs6z9ENHHKwezoCLz .uhBXbT9HXn0BdKsgmWH9wuJRQp7jO7zqrCWfP1ZRVLeMnyJ3u3sBSiWFFl7 7ZWyoGIkot.58xGjyHzGsGnjTzKpCwpEsQtcABqqj2jagqJaZg.Qwfua5N_c QLCol0xnjHBHPjyl9vVMTwU0Zb1k3JmLQAiS0E7InsbibYvbEv1kOsp9uMWL iQj6hsz4jlIx79wG3jRKX8jOpUeWhGwEN.gdR3eDGCJF.crWskpzyLa7oxjs 3pK3aIX6mb.HJ_4ZpA1S.9CpZqSs8tik73C43aEW6f567W81O3R4Et_4IPR9 gDy8t2LSpsPl65LeTBE7GFPsxJo8DnmB9GgH3J6hjHY3Sd0rciAqnOxm7d2Y WbMk83MW0IhkRtg-- Received: from [99.92.108.41] by web81303.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 11 Apr 2011 07:05:23 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/559 YahooMailWebService/0.8.109.295617 References: Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2011 07:05:23 -0700 (PDT) From: John E Clifford Subject: Re: [lojban] Regularization To: lojban@googlegroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Original-Sender: kali9putra@yahoo.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of kali9putra@yahoo.com designates 66.94.237.92 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=kali9putra@yahoo.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@yahoo.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Taking all that into account is {va'o lonu mi ponse lo dalpe'o dinsauru} "Since I have a pet dinosaur" or is it merely indeterminate as to the truth of the condition? ----- Original Message ---- From: Remo Dentato To: lojban@googlegroups.com Cc: Michael Turniansky Sent: Mon, April 11, 2011 8:20:14 AM Subject: Re: [lojban] Regularization On Mon, Apr 11, 2011 at 2:49 PM, Michael Turniansky wrote: > Counterfactual meaning not as things are, but as they might be. So, > for example "va'o lo nu lo snime cu carvi kei mi ma'ekla le birju"-> > "I drive to the office in the snow" ("in the situation of it snowing, > I drive to the office") "va'o da'i lo nu lo snime cu carvi kei mi > ma'ekla le birju" -> "if it snows, I will drive to the office". ("in > the theoretical situation of it snowing, I drive to the office") > Clearer? A little bit. I guess that in the translation of "if I had a pet dinosaur" http://www.lojban.org/tiki/tiki-download_wiki_attachment.php?attId=784 Instead of {va'o lonu mi ponse lo dalpe'o dinsauru}) I should have used {va'o da'i lonu mi ponse lo dalpe'o dinsauru} -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. 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